Toronto vs San Antonio: Game Day Thread
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:15 PM EST
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Toronto Raptors at San Antonio Spurs, Nov 9, 2009 8:30 PM EST
Toronto Raptors vs San Antonio Spurs
November 9, 2009
TV: RaptorsTV at 8:30 pm
Here we go, another solid test for the new-look Toronto Raptors. They catch a break not having to face a Spurs' team at full strength, but best believe this game won't be a cake-walk. The Spurs are still one of the toughest defending teams in the league night-in and night-out, and still boast a formidable cast under Coach Pops.
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Weirdo-Kaneirdo
So no Parker…now it sounds like no Tim Duncan.
Easy win right?
Well…if there’s a game. Apparently the Spurs in-game crew has been working on the floor all day because of a sticky residue left from an earlier cleaning…
…stay tuned.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions
Game is a go!
No Duncan, but apparently SA and NBA officials are giving the thumbs up on playing on the court.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions
Bargs and Bosh starting out well. No reason Toronto should lose this one, SA just doesn’t have the talent tonight.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions
Duncan was kept out, more for precautionary reasons. Not a major thing, guessing he would have played if this was May.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Worried about Blair
With no Duncan and foul issues for Ratlif early, I’m guessing Toronto is going to get a heavy dose of DeJuan…
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions
Well… SA lost to us when we didn’t have Bosh and Calderon. Is this a replay?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions
And yeah, I’m at work, coughing away on everyone
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions
Good work - Rogers will love that.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Bringing down the company, one section at a time… today, we’re out of seats, so I’m sitting in the Rogers High Speed Internet section. Spreading the “looooove”
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
I am ....
also at work…..gotta love refreshing the box score every 60 seconds….
Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Nov 9, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I like the way the Raps are playing right now – nothing fancy, just taking what’s given to them.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions
Classic Bonner 3
That shot makes me laugh.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions
So what’s going on?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions
Raps are playing like a D League team
Not being aggressive, not taking advantage of mismatches, and not moving the ball very well.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. What happened to “I like the way the Raps are playing right now – nothing fancy, just taking what’s given to them.” ??
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
That ended after about 5 minutes unfortunately.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately they’re not playing like they can…
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
No question – this I’d put as the worst loss of the year if they can’t get the W.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Man… I remember being at Harbour Grill for our HQ meeting last year and watching Ukic tear the Spurs apart with Bosh or Calderon. Good times. Then the feed went out and we had to watch it on my tiny netbook…
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions
HA HA HA HA – forgot we had to switch to the trusty ol’ netbook!
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Not that I’m aware of – I’m guessing we’ll see him again in a minute.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no ha ha…nothing worse. Are they singing Blair’s praises?
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
He’s doing a good job of anchoring things down so far tonight.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Nice block but the team needs to rebound the damn ball…and take better shots.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, let Wright jack 3’s. Offense is struggling right now.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
what a flop by blair!
foul trouble for the spurs’ bigs is another reason we cannot lose this game
I'll keep my finger crossed....
lok at the number of shots attempted by Chris, it is is way too high, normally when he takes that many shots it ends up in a L. Not a Bosh issue but a distribution one.
Yep, Bosh is taking what’s given to him – point guards need to do a better job of getting guys open…
…or moving the ball like that last possession ending in a Jose 3.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Someone just made the comment on Twitter and I agree, “Raps playing like 2008-09 version.”
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
RIght there – but you’re right, not enough touches.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
last i remember...
he took a 3 with about 15 left on the shot clock
and now that dunk
Disgusting
Bonner blows by Wright on the wing and crams it???
This defence has a LOT of work to do.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions
I am sure.....
Bonner was just as astonished…..
They are toying with an inferior team, but it is dangerous not killing them off, if they keep being in the game, the adrenaline will take over and they will be in for some troubles
63-63 at the half
if the spurs, without duncan and parker, score 120pts on us, shouldn’t we wonder what iavaroni’s job is?
Halftime breakdown
-Raps getting pounded on the glass 21 to 13
-Raps allowing SA to shoot TWENTY-TWO free-throws
These two issues are completely negating Toronto shooting 63% from the field.
Lot of work to do in the second half if TO wants to win this one.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions
It stands for Blocks Against – number of times the opposition blocks the shot of a particular player.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, isn’t it Blocks Attempted? It’s how many alterations there were on a shot.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been downing a Halls an hour since I got here. The menthol must be making my stats knowledge all fuzzy.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nevermind. Must be the Halls talking…
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_BA_stand_for_in_the_NBA_box_score
still I must disagree with that stat so…
positives
- bosh is dominating again
- calderon seems to be back to form
- 3 ball is dropping
- aforementioned foul trouble for the spurs
if only we can get some sort of bargs/hedo/wright action…
And the team needs to REALLY clean up the D. Just too much trust unfortunately and so players aren’t rotating.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
“distrust” right?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
No, trust seriously. Last play no one looked to rotate to help DeRozan because they though he could contain Bogans on the perimeter.
Wrong.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Whoah. That’s kinda different from the over necessity to play help D
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve noticed that people have forgotten to give Bargs touches while he posts up… Is that a big reason why he’s not doing much?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Yep – team hasn’t looked for him enough even though he has the size advantage.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
That’s 3 games in a row now. What gives? This team really wants to be that kind of shot happy team?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I want to puke...
…Raps look TERRIBLE right now.
Yes, George Hill has a great arsenal of one-on-one moves…but what’s with the no help??
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:14 PM EST reply actions
typical 3rd quarter brain farts all around
can this be as simple as the difference between popovich and triano? you gotta hand it to pop, couldn’t have picked a better game to sit duncan and parker
I guess the Raptors want to practice playing a close game for 48 minutes
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, figured this was going to be a close one unfortunately.
Great, here comes more DeJuan Blair.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Worried the Raps are going to implode here...
…just feel a let-down coming.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:21 PM EST reply actions
Spurs know what they're doing every time down the court
Raps are running around like 3 year-olds.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions
A bit of that…plus a bit of “higher IQ players on SA,” and a bit of “9 new guys on a team.”
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
not to bash triano...
obviously this is an established spurs team vs a raps team that looks like it just had an expansion draft…
weeeeeeeeeems!
maybe all this rest time that bosh is getting will make the difference in the 4th
papa
nice to see sonny out there…maybe he’ll add a little speed to the game.
Garbage call
He barely touched him and Manu flew into the bench like Tyson hit him.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
papa
then he gets played by ginobs. no shame there. the ginobs is a master of that nonsense.
the spurs broadcast keeps giving us close-ups of the local cheerleaders
i have a feeling i should be thankful that internet feeds are not HD…
papa
mind you, the kid isn’t kobe. so both the makes he took probably shouldn’t be happening. but he made them. so all’s good.
jesus. Are they trying to tire each other out by how many shots they take? What is this?!
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:39 PM EST reply actions
This is one of the most ridiculous Raptors games I’ve ever seen.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
lol. Entertaining?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
oh lord...
in the words of the oak man, somebody gotta stop somebody
Gonna be interesting here to see how the Raps close with Bosh back.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
As long as the Raptors don’t become the “Lance Storm” of basketball, I’ll be fine :p
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 PM EST reply actions
should weems be guarding manu in the 4th quarter...
or rather never?
papa
and there’s that kobe shot kobe would make. but bells…not so much.
This is exhausting
Raps somehow are still in this with 0 defence. I want Weems back and Hedo to sit.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Have to question Triano a bit here...
Cold Hedo and no Bargs?
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions
there's a lot of anger brewing around here...
bosh and bellineli are our only hopes right now…
manu
is crazy good though. I can only fault triano for not stopping the play to let things settle down earlier.
And I’m starting to not care whether Bosh leaves or not, it’s not like he’s a huge factor in these games.
It’s not the offense here that’s the thing, it’s the absolutely DISMAL defense. You can’t let someone like Manu get going…unreal.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
4 point loss
Was my early call…but don’t think it’s even going to THAT close now…
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions
no way one player should win a game BY HIMSELF in the nba
unless of course they’re playing the raptors, specialists in making the impossible happen
How Triano decides to bring us back into games like this makes me question some of the philosophy of this team. This team should be getting aggressive when things get tough, instead, it’s starting to look like this team gets passive and tries to shoot 3s to get back into things and such… If what I’m hearing is correct, it sounds like another game that’s like that…
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 9, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions
it's a shame though
cause they had this game sooooo much earlier. it should never have come to this. now manu is on fire and good luck.
This game is a suicide from Toronto’s side. Careless distribution and execution. A display of bad strategy, distribution and execution.
the fact is that's how they played the whole game
it’s just that now the shots aren’t falling any more
Maybe this helps them learn the hard way although with chuckers like Belinelli and Hedo, I doubt it.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
terrible...
Why does it seem like our players are never open on the offensive end… a friggin entry pass to the low post is a frigging chore…
Bang on
This team has so much work to do.
And Devlin ain’t helping by hyping up more 3’s. It’s the non-stop focus on 3’s and not on D that’s hurt this club the past two matches.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
This has to do with our guards just focusing on feeding Chris, it is their job to keep everybody in the game, otherwise your game become predictable and you have no other options as everybody else has gone cold in the meantime, not to mention their defensive focus may fade if they see they a e getting ignored when they shouldn’t be. These games are missed opportunities, The Raptors team is way better than these Spurs and they should have won. They have lost the game and they brought this to themselves.
I dunno if it was trying to feed Chris
I think Bosh sat most of the 3rd quarter, our most fluid offence seemed to come when we had weems, bellinelli, jack, johnson and bargs on the court… (although bargs really didn’t do much during that time) I’m surprised Bargs was out there with that unit rather than Bosh… not sure what was going on there. Bosh comes back in when he was 13/13 at the ft line.. then proceeds to go 2/4 the last few trips… ugh… Hedo was labouring all night…
I was thinking that earlier. Notice how much his game and that of Mason Jr’s has improved in the San Antonio system?
They probably could have made Hoffa useful…
…ok…maybe that’s a BIT of a stretch.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well that's it...
In my books, this is the most frustrating and inexcusable loss since the team got thumped by Denver last year and Mitchell got K-Oed.
Just maddening.
Recap will be up in the morning, won’t be pretty in all likelyhood.
Great chatting though as usual, we’ll do it again Wednesday night!
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 9, 2009 11:20 PM EST reply actions
i seriously just cried
holy fhxjsjhfjsfjsashitnkshjsfh…. i agree with renato this was the worst loss out beats dallas and memphis. poor performance, i know it was close but they just let the spurs rack up the lead in the 4th and was too late to start playing. and whats up with the d? best offense in the nba but also the worst defense. i wanted to slap the sh*t out of manu so bad. god this kills so much. now how am i gonna wake up for school tomorrow. i wont be able to sleep tonight
Just watching the "highlights"
Seriously, does this team have ANY pride defensively?
Wasn’t Mark Iavaroni hired because of his supposed defensive expertise?
WTF?!?!
This team must be on pace to be historically awful on the defensive side of the ball.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 9, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions
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