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Raptors Post-Game Report - Wright - "We Have No Defensive Identity"

It was great to see Toronto's coaches getting some time in with the Raps' "bigs" before the game...unfortunately this team needs a lot more work still...

The HQ was lucky to attend yesterday afternoon's match via media access and it was a revealing experience.  Besides some great interviews and quotes from various players, including the title of this recap, it was indeed an inside look at a team in an early-season crossroads...

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It was with extremely light footsteps that I approached Antoine Wright post-game.

He had just asked for two bags of ice for his knees, and sat dejected in his locker, hardly the picture of approachability.

And you could understand why.

The Toronto Raptors had just dropped to 7 and 11 early in the season thanks to a 113 to 94 loss at home to the Phoenix Suns.

More importantly, the club had surrendered well over 100 points yet again to an opponent, and the mood post-game in the Dino's locker was somber to say the least.

In fact, by the time I arrived after some spirited chats with Grant Hill and other Suns, most of the team had cleared out, leaving only Wright, Rasho Nesterovic, Chris Bosh, and Amir Johnson finishing up.

However Wright was indeed my target as I had identified him, having played under superior defensive tacticians like Rick Carlisle and Lawrence Frank, as someone who could really provide some insight on the Raptors' defensive woes.

And he sure did.

When I asked him about Toronto's defensive struggles and what the difference was between this team and the ones he had played for in Jersey and Dallas, he said matter-of-factly:

"We have no defensive identity."

He elaborated on this saying that he felt that there were too many defensive schemes being used presently and that as a result, there was no consistency in regards to how opponents were being guarded.

I then asked if he felt that the Raptors, as a result, didn't know which schemes to turn to at what times, and if it was resulting in general confusion.  At this point however he backtracked a bit, saying that he thought players understood, it was more of a matter of consistency.

In any event, it was an extremely interesting series of back-and-forths.  Here was a player who was visibly frustrated by his club's performance, and yet one who was making a good point.

What is this team's identity at either end of the court?

To start the season the Raptors looked to be the offensive juggernaut who could play no D.  Now even that original identity has been stripped away, leaving a group of players who seem to lack the necessary heart to grit to compete for 48 minutes each and every night.

Again yesterday we saw a team that failed to show much pride when it counted, any semblance of transition defence, and very little defensive intensity the rest of the time.  Phoenix shot 51 per cent from the field and cut the Raptors up on the interior, with Steve Nash bobbing and weaving his way to 20 points and 16 assists in only 34 minutes of duty.

My question then, and the question on many Raptors' fans minds this morning, is probably "when can we expect to see this team turn things around?"

The club's lost 7 of their last 9 now, and haven't gotten consistent production from anyone other than Chris Bosh, and one could argue perhaps Amir Johnson.

Bosh had to do the heavy lifting again yesterday and after a poor first quarter, willed his way to 30 points and 17 rebounds.  As Howland said to me post-game "I'm just not sure what else he can do."

And it's true.  Sure, Bosh is no Lebron, but he'll never be.  As Howland and I discussed, putting up 30 and 17, with 7 rebounds being of the offensive variety, is Duncan-esque...if Duncan was playing with a bunch of guys who shot mostly jump shots and did little else.  Yesterday Andrea Bargnani had his best game in a week with 24 points and 7 rebounds but outside of a quiet 14 from DeMar DeRozan, most of which came early, the rest of the club struggled.  Hedo Turkoglu was 4 of 14, Jose Calderon 1 of 7, and the chucker, Marco Belinelli, 0 for 5.  Add on that the team was abysmal from long range (1 of 20), and you've got a nice recipe for yet another loss.

Washington is up next on Tuesday, Atlanta follows on Wednesday, and then the Raps have a rematch with the Wizards on Friday before taking on Chicago Saturday evening.  On paper this looks to be an easier run compared to playing the likes of Boston and Phoenix, but three of these upcoming games are on the road, and two of them are the second nights of back-to-backs, an area that has absolutely killed the Dinos so far this season.  When you add on the fact that Toronto has been completely incapable of stopping anyone, suddenly even these types of games seem daunting.

And this brings me to Jay Triano.

I'm not going to go as far as to say that the players are starting to tune him out, but there are some worrisome signs for sure.  Chris Bosh when speaking to the media that were huddled around his locker post-game looked like he was about to snap, especially in regards to questions surrounding Jay and the team's defensive issues.

And my brief chat with Wright was certainly no definite vote of confidence in the overall game plan.

Post-game Triano laid a good portion of the blame regarding the loss on Toronto's inability to hit the long ball and there's definitely some truth to that.  Alvin Gentry in his talk with the media said something similar, noting that like Toronto, Phoenix depends quite a bit on the long-ball and if it's not going down, then they have trouble scoring the ball.

The problem I have with this line of reasoning is that it sounds oddly familiar to that of the last coach who was here.

At some point the players Bryan Colangelo has brought in need to be accountable for what goes on on the court, and if that doesn't start very soon, it's no stretch to say that we could be looking at another trip to the draft lottery, and possibly a quick end to Jay Triano's NBA coaching career - probably unfairly.

I'm not going to go that far as of yet.

But from the past few games, my visit yesterday with the team, and the upcoming schedule, there's no question this team needs to start turning things around asap.

I predicted a 5 and 13 start.

But for some reason this 7 and 11 debut seems a whole lot worse.

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Lack of quickness and inability to switch

Calderon and Turkoglu are too slow with other much faster point and shooting guards. Other Raptors players cannot always switch because they have their own players to guard. You need a center that sticks around in the perimeter and squats every ball that dare challenges him. Right now, the middle is empty. Faster forwards or guards simply dribble and drive through. I know we cannot play zone defense but surely we have to keep Bosh and another willing center (Johnson/Nesterovic) in the middle to deny those easy layups. If Bargnani does not want to be there, get him out of there when he does not shoot well. Why should anyone pass him the ball so he can launch his 3s.

by Richard L on Nov 30, 2009 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

defense

Bargs played good, bosh was his all star self even derozan I’m seein flashes of improvment with him, even gettin to the line a lil bit more, but when you shoot 1-20 downtown and guys like hedo, marco, and jose not making shots that they normally and should make this team has NO chance at winning games..but my question is this, wright mentoned before that they should change up the defense of sceme cause clearly this protect the paint and leaving 3 point shooters isn’t working. They had training camp, pre season, and their like 20 games into the season and its clear this sceme needs to change. But what other scemes is there that they could use?

by sherwin316 on Nov 30, 2009 8:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Zone

I’d like to see them go zone a lot more personally.

Yesterday from the gondola view you could see players like Jose just sort of floating around if they got caught on screen-n-rolls, seemingly not knowing what they should be doing. I wonder if instead, having players stick to guarding areas on the floor in some sort of zone formation (maybe box and 1 or something) would be more effective…

by Adam Francis on Nov 30, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

The only problem with the Raptors going zone is it doesn’t really solve their issue of defending the perimeter — good shooting teams will be able to pick their spots and continue to rain 3’s, and speedy guards will still be able to drive past defenders and disrupt the zone.

That being said, you might see some improvement in defending the paint if they go zone.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 30, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Zone

The major concern with a zone D is that the defensive floaters on this team – those who simply float around on defense and constantly miss coverages – namely Bargani, Turk and Jose will leave any zone exposed. As an aside, did anyone else catch Turk bitching out Bargs for missing a coverage that led to a lay-up, it was pretty funny. Bargs doesn’t rotate (surprise) and Turk has to come from the other side of the lane to pick up his assignment. Not able to get there in time, the opponent lays it in over Turk. Turk then turns and gives Bargs the "Death-Stare" and shouts "That is you!", could hear it on the broadcast, funny stuff…
Also, in a zone you need a lane intimidator or shot blocker, and while Bargs is an about average one on one post defender, he is pretty terrible providing help defense, and its not like Bosh is light-years better…

by MAS11 on Nov 30, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Turk shouldn’t be saying much. His defense was pretty horrible for most of the game, and his offense selection was equally questionable. At least Bargnani was going inside and covering Nash fairly well.

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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 30, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly...

That’s why it was funny. Because Bargs’ rotations were so bad even Turk felt comfortable calling him out.

by MAS11 on Nov 30, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Shats

The problem is, despite the fact they weren’t falling, they KEPT SHOOTING THREES. At no point did it occur to them to try something else, like I dunno, drive the ball? You can call it an off-night but it also shows that, a year after the Smith firing, we’re still on Plan A: shats.

by benjibopper on Nov 30, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Defensive Chaos on Almost Every Opponent Possession

If you watch almost any defensive possession on slo-mo that leads to an opponent basket – you can see there is complete confusion on the Raptors part. You’ve got guys who’ve got no clue where they’re supposed to be going and even when they think they do know – it’s frequently the wrong place.

No kidding when Wright talks about too many schemes…The players have no clue where they’re supposed to be and on almost every play, somebody makes the wrong move from a defensive perspective that puts them in the wrong position that ultimately leads to the basket because it draws everybody else out of position.

You compare that to good defensive teams where a good part of points they give up are from the “right” places/chances – i.e. they’ve done everything right and the opponent is still able to score (but from a lower probability chance).

This coaching staff is absolutely to blame for these issues. Wright (who is very good defensively) just didn’t want to spell it out.

by teamd on Nov 30, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Identity, Identity, Identity

The only time teams start harping on what their identity is, is when they suck. At the beginning of the season before we started losing there was no talk of identity; now we’re starting this crap of looking for an identity again. It’s like last year all over again and we’re only in Nov.

Still I remain optimistic. This team is too good to end up in the lottery.

by Member29 on Nov 30, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

Did you guys manage to ask Triano the questions on the Iso plays for Drea?

by renato on Nov 30, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

I did renato – I asked if when Bargs was going well like he was early in the game yesterday, if it was because there was more focus on having him participating in isos, and getting him touches down low. However Jay simply stated that they weren’t doing anything different with Andrea yesterday than they had been doing all season in terms of plays, it was more a matter of him being aggressive from the get-go.

by Adam Francis on Nov 30, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Huge point by Antoine Wright
“too many defensive schemes being used presently”

If this is the case, then a large portion of the blame has to get dumped at the feet of Triano and Iavaroni (our supposed defensive guru). This is a pretty bad misread in terms of personnel.

Time to simplify the schemes right down to the basics. Match up and stick with your man. Don’t switch unless you absolutely have to. Fight through screens (go over or under depending on who you are guarding). And like Franchise said — throw in a little zone.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 30, 2009 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Not to defend Ivaroni, but defense is about knowing each other and up to a certain point one would expect to have defense problems with the 9 faces.
On the other hand one could counter Wright’s argument asking why the second unit seems to defend better….

by renato on Nov 30, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Smitch’s analysis would actually be right on point for yesterday: The Raps missed a TON of good, open shots. Mind you, Wright is onto something as well… The defense is still bad. With better D, the Raps probably still would have lost, but it would have been closer. Phoenix is incredibly hard to stop, though.

by Vic De Zen on Nov 30, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

Pride

Being soft is certainly an identity with this team so I expect Washington will raise their game on Tuesday. In the NBA every team knows a game against the Dinos is an opportunity and that’s what turns my stomach.
I really won’t mind a poorer record if we can at least show some cojones in our play and overall attitude. It rankles big time still when I remember the Pierce foul.

by Scores on Nov 30, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

I’m circling those two Washington dates too because right now in the league, when I think of “teams that lack an identity,” the Wizards come up tops on my list.

That means there are two chances this week for either Toronto to start finding itself again, or continue to sink even lower into the NBA basement…

by Adam Francis on Nov 30, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Why 7-11 feels worse than 5-13

It’s because this team seems to be regressing rather than improving.

I do think we need to keep in mind that the Raptors have played a lot of quality opponents so far and that has affected their record. I think that this has also affected their morale and belief in their system.

I’m hoping that a softer schedule in the next few weeks will help turn the whole think around. But then, I’m a kool-aid drinking optimist. The Maple Leafs have conditioned me be to perpetually hopeful that somehow things will work out (even though they never do).

by siggian on Nov 30, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

Franchise: you may actually be underestimating just how disappointed you would have been at 5-13, despite having predicted it.

As well, perhaps it’s more disappointing because it’s hard to believe that the offense could be so good (in most of the games) and the defense still even worse than expected.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Nov 30, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Wright’s one to talk about defensive intensity. The guy’s a hypocrite.

by Arsenalist on Nov 30, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

WORST Defense in the NBA, but Unfair to Triano? How that's?!

If coaches matter that little – just get the mascot to do it.

by teamd on Nov 30, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

Right, Wright is talking about defense?

OMG, Wright played terribly in the past two weeks. Before pointing fingers, shut your month up and play better. What this guy can do? he can not shot, can not pass the ball, can not defend….bad signing by BC.

by J2ee on Nov 30, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

I think he might have a point

The big thing the Suns did defensively this season is to stop making big adjustments from game to game.

In the past (under Mark Iveroni w/ carry over) the Suns went into each game with a radically difference defensive scheme. Now, they’ve simplified that and have a set of core defensive rules and only make minor adjustments game to game.

It has helped players like Amare who aren’t the quickest at making changes on the fly and it has also helped the team hold each other accountable since it is now pretty obvious if there’s a blown assignment.

Btw – Bosh had a huge 2nd qtr against the Suns but if you look at the line-ups Phx was trying to guard him with either Dudley or Hill. I don’t really know why but for most of the 2nd the Suns went super small and got killed on the boards for it. Outside of that, Amare was +20 and Frye was +25 while Bosh was -16 and that includes his +7 in the 2nd qtr.

My point is that our defense seems to be improving with this simplified system. Wright might be talking about that…

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by Seth Pollack on Nov 30, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Comining out of last season we knew, with regards to defense, that Calderone was weak, Bargs was MAYBE marginally better and Bosh was an average defender at best. Anybody who caught any Orlando games could planely see that Turk was a weak defender as well, but we brought him on board. Then we rounded out our staring five with a rookie who had a so-so year in college but had tons of potential. Hind sight being 20-20 I’m not sure why I or anybody for that matter is surprised we are so weak defensively.

If there is any truth to what Wright is saying, than I agree, it is time to simplify the defensive schemes and would go so far as to say some line up changes are in order as well. Namely, putting Johnson and or Wright in the starting five and sitting Bargs, Hedo or Derozan.

by Posterized on Nov 30, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

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