I’m a fan of Bargs overall, but i am disgusted with his softness. I don’t understand how guys can just stroll into the lane untouched for layups ALL GAME LONG. A Center is supposed to lay a smack on a guy so he thinks twice abt doing it again.

Despite our interior softness, the issue actually starts at the perimeter. Our guards are really leaving the F/C exposed and in fairness, unless Bargs and Bosh want to foul out, they can’t really do much after the guards are beaten so easily.

This team is still way better than last year tho so I’m gonna remain optamistic and continue to believe that they’re good enough for 8th place in the East.

I find it ironic that the BC era started with trading away one of the toughest players the Raps had since the big Oakster. Namely Bonner. Remember Bonner putting a smack down on Garnett? It is hilarious that the guy who BC traded Bonner for (Rasho) is the guy who was guarding Pierce on that play. Couldn’t you see Bonner bumping Pierce after the knee and definitely giving him a good hard foul the next time he went down the floor?
The truth is it is actually Bosh who is way too soft. If someone did what Pierce did to Bosh to either Garnett or Pierce, you know they would want to get a little revenge on the guy who did it and there would be some heavy contact the next time down the floor. Bosh needs to stand up for himself as it is obvious no one else will. Should he start a bench clearing brawl? Obviously not but he definitely could “miss” a block and smack Pierce hard on the shoulder the next time down the floor. Kind of a “I Havent forgotten what you did” message. But alas, that wasn’t to be.

I could not agree more….
Can Bosh not grow his own set of balls?

i think bosh is acutalyy stoping bargnanis development because bargnani isnt a centre hes a big man who plays like a guard with all his up fakes and drives and 3 pointers so i think he would definetly score more n play better at the pf position but as to our defensive woes i have to say its calderons fault because hes not a bad defender hes an extremely bad defender

Call me crazy but I’d take a 25yr old, 4 time allstar, olympic gold medalist Chris Bosh over 95% of the other PFs in the league. There is nothing soft abt Chris Bosh, he plays hard and strong for his body type. If we want a big, tough bruiser we should go out and get a guy who can knock people to their a** but he won’t give you CB4’s numbers. Chris isn’t the toughest guy I’ve seen, he isn’t the best defender I’ve seen and he isn’t the best PF I’ve ever seen but that doesn’t mean he’s not a very very good player who makes this franchise better.

When Chris Bosh leaves next year, we’ll be here in November of 2010 discussing just how bad this team is and of course we’ll find another player on the team, probably Bargs, to pick apart and run out of town.

Frankly, I appreciate what CB4 brings everynight and Bargs to a lesser extent and altho both players are flawed, they make this team better than it would be without them.

I posted yesterday on the Game day set up that the Raptors had to go into Boston and do what they could to not get punked. Well, they got punked. They got punked metaphorically on defense and they got punked metaphorically when they were trying to run their offense in the third quarter. Most obviously, they literally got punked when Pierce kneed Bosh in the balls on his dunk and stood over the Raptors’ franchise player flexing and woofing it up while Bosh’s teammates stood and watched. I don’t blame Bosh for not standing up for himself because as everyone who has got a knee to the balls before knows, you physically can’t even stand up. But the reaction from his teammates was shameful.

The only reaction came from the middle-aged coaching staff. Much like when Smitch was the only one to run the length of the court to address Al Horford after he closelined (and almost ended the career of) TJ Ford the players stood around like scared children while the coaches did the talking for them. Ironically, the only player in the scrum (from my couch vantage point) at the scorers table was Hedo Turkoglu. When Hedo is the only player even providing token resistance on your team, your team is broken. Shameful…

We lost to the Celtics at home. The way this team has been playing I really wasn’t surprised.
Its now time to be concerned. I think Triano has got to shake things up and not worry about hurting anyone’s feelings. Our defence is nonexistant and the chemistry is just not there. And its with our two big guys, Bosh and Bargnani, where the problem lies. There is no doubt about last night, Bargnanihad one of those “head up his ass games”. So I am not gonna zone in on him.
Just to be clear on my position, I like both Bosh and Bargnani. Just have come to conclusion that they will never have good chemistry. Don’t think they like each other much, and that probably goes back to Sam Mitchell. Ithink while Bosh can put up big numbers, the offence has a tendency to come to a halt with him at key times. Takes his teammates out of the game. Prefer him concentrating on rebounding, getting the garbage points.
I’ve said in the past that Renato always comes too quickly to Bargnani’s defence but I do feel he has a point. Bosh goes unscathed on the defensive end, and most of you all ignore it. I watched last night, Bosh got schooled. Not just the Pierce posterization, but he was getting beat all night. Last night Bargs got benched, but a few others deserved it as well.
Bosh and Bargnani do not complement each other at all! There is no denying. Last night was a typical offence dying with each Bosh possession game. Other four standing around. Barg’s got no choice, he’s usually open on the outside, but ignored repeatedly. Ball moves better in Bargnani’s hands. Bosh seems to be getting stripped of the ball more lately as well, a trait we’ve seen before.
Time for Triano to shake things up. Split Boshand Bargs up as often as possible. Frankly Rasho and Johnson have been outplaying them both lately. I think Amir has earned the opportunity to start, and since there is no way that Bosh will come off the bench, sit Andrea. If Johson gets into early foul bring in Rasho.
I still like DeRozan getting the start, only because it could be difficult to find him vital, consistant minutes elsewhere. I am willing to be patient and have seen enough good from him. It up to Jay to ride him when he’s hot..
Our PG defence has been horrible, nothing less. I would accept any change Jay wants to make. Staring Jack, Calderon off the bench, hell bring out Banks and allow him to play some D. Actually read he considers himself healthy, which last season he wasn;t. A message needs to be sent about our D.

I am a little surprised of myself, suggesting changes, but these last few games has been embarrassing on the defnsive end. I believe we are an extremely talented team, that has not found any chemistry on the defensive side. And I have not seen any indication of progress. We have to find the right line-ups. Start Bosh and Johnson, or Bosh and Rasho, if you are bringing Bargnani off the bench you would keep Calderon starting since he seems to lack confidence with Bargnani. Actually prefer Bargs on the floor with both CB4 and Jose on the bench.
Although we usually keep up offensively we are getting scored on too easily, especially the openings of the first and third quarters. Shake things up Jay. No more Mr Nice guy.

As for BC – I think he has assembled a playoff bound team, which is a huge step up from last season. Early season’s indications are that we have a good home record, a winning record against the teams we will be competing against for playoff positioning, and a still not to be forgotten, tough early season schedule.
We are on track to obtain my short term goals of this team. That being said, my goal of Bosh and Bargnani ever succedding together appears to be lost. Our defence reflects it.. A decision will have to be made between the two.

Changes to the starting line up i mean. I’d like us to try

Johnson
Bosh
Hedo
DD
Jack

Use Calderon and Bargs as sparks off the bench.

i always have said triano isnt the right man to lead this team and no offence i love the guy hes a canadian and hes a good coach i just think hes not the right guy for the raptors i think the raps should go after byron scot hes the type of coach that gets after players and i also think if raps dont make playoffs it should be off wid colangelos head like most of his moves since he took over have been average or bad he hasnt made any good moves i think we all overate bryan he isnt an amazing gm hes an ok g.m

I am whole heartedly condoning someone closeline the @#$% out of Pierce the next time we play Boston. I’d take a two game suspension if it meant that D-bag would think twice about steam rolling our star player.

It seems at least once a season this sort of thing happens to us and we just turn the other cheek. Time to man up and start responding in kind.

I think Doc Rivers comments about this being “Buddy Ball” are laughable. I can’t remember the last time a buddy kneed me in the junk then stared me down.