Game Day Thread - Charlotte vs. Toronto
by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Nov 25, 2009 6:45 PM EST
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Toronto Raptors at Charlotte Bobcats, Nov 25, 2009 7:00 PM EST
Toronto Raptors vs. Charlotte Bobcats
November 25, 2009
TV: NBATV at 7:00 pm
After an offensive explosion against the Pacers the Raptors face an offensively challenged team in the Charlotte Bobcats. Do the Raps have anything left in the tank for this second game of a back-to-back? Will CB4 dominate? Will the Raps defense be immediately be over-hyped after they beat such a bad offensive team?
As usual we will be discussing from the opening tip to the final buzzer.
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Another key match against a team the Raps will be fighting with for playoff positioning…things tip off in 5 and hopefully Toronto comes out strong.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 6:57 PM EST reply actions
looking
for a big game from bargs…even if it means lots of 3’s.
Think they’ll need a good game from him in the middle to draw the likes of Chandler away from the paint.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, and that pathetic rebounding display there shows part of why…yikes. Let’s go boys, show some grit here!
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Impressive
Like that move by DeRozan, nice and decisive.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions
I’d say more noise for Toronto’s NBDL league team! Wow.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ha ha – and IS there a 3rd division Italian league?
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Think he or Jack will be in next.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
derozan
will and should be on the bench against jacks
Man Amir...
….what a joy to watch. Toronto hasn’t had a guy like this since Keon.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply actions
this is what bothers me about jay he always adjust to there lineup and never makes them adjust to ours
I didn’t think early in the season he did that, but lately, yes, I’m finding the same thing.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Man Toronto's D sucks in transition
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions
G Henderson
I wanted us to pick Henderson instead; it’ll be interesting to see DD match up with him
Me too
He hasn’t seemed great so far in Charlotte but then again, has anyone really been paying attention to the Bobcats? Hopefully we’ll see some match-up time for he and DeRozan too.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
it’s about time for iverson. he wasn’t going to come off the bench, and no one wants him in their starting 5. it’s a done deal.
He reminds me of 50 Cent – give it up man, it’s OVAH.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
oh shit!
you sayin’ 50 is done?? the album ain’t that bad. sometimes the numbers DO lie!
You got it? I HATE the single – the rest is solid though?
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I have it. it ain’t bad. it’s 50, though. he’s not changing his game up much. (or probably ever will)
Yeah, tough to keep things fresh as a “gangster rapper.” Just wish he’d lay-off the weak R&B joints.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Like Andrea's game so far tonight
Bosh needs to step it up.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions
I don’t either but not sure why. Did Hedo’s inclusion alter things in the starting line-up?
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
in the preseason i didnt like beli but kno i cant wait still he comes in the game i should add amir in that two
In Pre season
Beli was jacking up wild off balance shots so I was right there with yah. I couldn’t stand his game in pre season. His approach now is diff tho, he seems smarter out there and mor e patient with his shot selection.
I think that’s the main thing, he seems to have settled down on O. I want to ask him this on Sunday (as an aside, we switched our press access to the Phoenix match from yesterday’s Indiana one) – did he find that once he saw he was going to get minutes he didn’t feel the need to dominate the ball so much? I mean now he just looks in rhythm most of the time.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nail on the head
Knowing how many minutes he’s gonna get would def allow him to be more relaxed out there bec he isn’t competing for mins anymore. i think thats the diff now compared to preseason
Honestly – Belinelli. I’m just still not a big DD believer yet.
And right on cue, Mr. Henderson!
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Henderson vs DD
even Henderson seems to have more explosion than DD. I think DD’s athleticism is a bit overrated.
TOTALLY AGREE
That’s what always bugged me. If you watched him in college, or looked at his stats, he just didn’t jump out like a Vince or Andre Iguodala did in their pre-draft days.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ugly Ball
This Bobcat team is pretty thuggy. Watch what’s going on down low, especially on the Cats’ offensive possessions.
No wonder they’re one of the top defensive clubs – so chippy out there. Tonight’s game is the exact opposite of last night’s!
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Streak in jeopardy?
Charlotte doing a good job of closing out on shooters. Raps taking what’s available. Pretty smart basketball by both teams. Need Bosh to start drawing some double-teams when he gets back in.
Bosh isn’t doing anything right now. Can’t believe I’m saying this, but Bargs and Amir Johnson have kept this one close so far.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the Raptors patience may wear thin, and with this being a back to back.. All that banging is going to add up.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 25, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions
And yes, I’m at work.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 25, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions
You’re missing some terrible transition play here. Charlotte has 19 fast break points…
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Lovely stuff to look forward to when I get home…
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 25, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Me too. Remember a few years ago when there were the TJ Ford for Wallace rumours? I would have signed off on that in a flash, even with his lengthy deal.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
There you go Chris
Need a lot more of that. Once he gets attacking, that should open things up on the perimeter.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:57 PM EST reply actions
I feel so weird watching Antoine Wright play
A raptor using defense? Something just seems off.
On that note – why is DeRozan in the game and not Marco? Terrible shot selection there…
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wright
really moves his feet on D. He may not have the size to guard most SF but he sure can stay in front of them.
Sometimes, I wonder if people are getting played in order to teach them, or are they getting played so this team will win?
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 25, 2009 8:00 PM EST reply actions
I think there’s some confusion on that from the Raps coaching staff as well. Maybe they weren’t expecting to really have to make that distinction this year?
I think it’s NEXT year that this team could really make a jump, provided they can keep everyone (outside of Banks and O’Bryant etc of course.) But for this year, right now it feels to me like they’re trying to do both…which to me is sort of like trying to lose weight and bulk up at once. Can’t be done.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sorta… I think Bargs as well.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 25, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Bargs
That last replay made me cringe. His man got around him and he just sorta stood there and watched the ball…
There’s a reason right now that Toronto is giving up a ton of points in the paint here.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions
Halftime Thoughts
-Raps are playing ok; not good, not terrible.
-Gotta give props to Charlotte for some of this though; solid D and exposing the Raptors in their weakest areas – transition and in the paint.
-Toronto’s not shooting well but not playing to their strengths. They need Bosh to get going and for things to flow from there.
-Most importantly, the Dinos need to do a much better job protecting the rim.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions
I thought he’s been ok on O, D…not so much.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Is this a joke?
Tell me the Raptors aren’t losing to the Bobcats at half. Don’t make me regret turning on my TV! Haha…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions
So much for my point about the Raptors’ O being greater than the Charlotte D…so far the latter is winning.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Two seasons from now...
… I think DeRozan is going to put up some big time scoring numbers. I like the flashes of aggression going to the basket.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
But right now...
…he’s getting killed by SJax.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Let’s try going to the bench, Jay…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Gerald Wallace
That dunk pretty much sums up the Raptors defence. Chris Bosh stood there like a deer in headlights watching Wallace.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions
Outside of Amir, the whole team has been like that tonight. Just ridiculous and in a game where the O isn’t there like tonight, you REALLY notice it.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
hanging around?
They’ve spent the 3rd quarter falling further and further behind..
This is like the Spurs game
On the rare occasion we get a stop, Cats are likely to get the rebound. Don’t see us winning this game—even if the bench gets us back into it.
If the Raps don't get some life here...
…then they might as well call this one at the end of the 3rd. Very disappointing.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions
Oh my
Wallace just made the plays of the week… congrats!
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply actions
Oh my lord...
That play summed up the Raps night.
TERRIBLE pass by Bosh which should have been an easy 2 – no defence and the ball is rammed down their throat.
3:31 remaining marks the death of the Raps tonight in my books.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions
Um....
Jay – maybe it’s time to try Weems and some other options?
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions
jesus!
how many easy fast break dunks have the cats had??? dissapointing
Bobcats
Today I was saying that the Bobcats have improved a lot with Jackson. I watched them destroy Philly earlier in the week and they looked pretty good. Tonight we’re seeing just how improved they are. They r my sleeper team to sneak into the playoffs.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but I think I agree…just good enough defensively too fight it out with teams down to the wire.
And against a Raps’ team with no D…well…we’re seeing the results.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Points in the paint and fast breaks
Just the sign of a horrible defensive team (the way the Cats are killing the Raps in both categories).
I like the lineup by Triano though — a big ‘F you’ to the starters.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions
Just thinking the same thing – just a pathetic display.
And why is it the 3rd quarter is always the weak link lately?
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well, this could be the start of quite the slide with Boston and Phoenix on tap this weekend, followed by Washington next Tuesday.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions
Or a “On any Given Sunday” one.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
which is why they need to make a game out of this if they’re going to go into the weekend with any sort of hope
3rd quarter is a weak link because I think everyone attacks DeRozan. Usually the other team’s best player gets really angry and fired up and DeRozan can’t handle
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 25, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions
Before I Self Destruct
The title of 50 Cent’s new album or the Raptors defensive play in 3rd quarters this season?
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions
Zing!
Second zing of the night.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Turnovers and Terrible Transition D
That’s what’s killing the Raps tonight. Terrible, terrible display!
Just ridiculous – team looks like it gave up 10 minutes ago.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
another point...
Why is it that gerald wallace, being a scrappy player and all, has zero fouls thus far?
Interesting point
Does that not speak volumes about Hedo tonight? Gerald hasn’t been forced to play hard at the other end all night.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Hang your heads in shame, Raptors
Works better if you imagine the English accent
some food for thought...
raptors scored more pts in the first half last night than they have so far in 3 and a bit quarters.
Never even thought of that angle.
Scary thing is, if they can just some help for Bosh (who’s now being very aggressive), then they can still make a game of this.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
I never understand why they only get aggressive when they fall behind big. They’re on of the best FT shooting teams in the league yet they don’t take advantage of it often enough. I kinda get the feeling that bosh is trying to show the league that he can be more of a dirk type of player (my explanation for high number of outside shots) in his contract year. I feel like that’s hurting the team big time. We really don’t need him to take 3s.
That point has driven me nuts for years; one of the top FT shooting teams in the league and yet they never get to the line. This year’s been better, but on nights like this when the jumpers aren’t falling, why don’t they just keep attacking the rim?
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
It’s all in the mentality of the players. You know Bargnani isn’t getting there… Bosh is there, and DeRozan has a chance.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
of course...
…it was a bit of a ridiculous amount…but still, it’s funny how things can change overnight.
Yet another crappy offensive team topping 100 points against the Raptors. Ridiculous.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions
Worst loss of the year so far?
The San Antonio game was mine before this one…
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions
I didn’t catch the San Antonio game, so I think mine was Memphis before this.
Miami had to be the worst win. LOL
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace...
finally got his first foul of the game.
Bargnani...
…has been mute in the 2nd half. zero points thus far in the 2nd half. useless.
Geez, we haven’t seen that before (Bargnani disappearing for long stretches of the game).
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
not just him
the whole team is still at the ACC
My wife commenting after seeing a closeup of Hedo...
“Oh my god, I can’t look at him. He’s so ugly. He looks retarded.”
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions
yeah...
…when i went to the playoff game against orlando, we called him Blender face. my cousin’s idea. a bit ironic that he came to toronto right after.
I can’t believe they blew this game.
I mean, this wasn’t even a loss, it was a demolition by Charlotte!
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm more Assassin’s Creed II for me tonight. lol.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 25, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions
Is there a character named Hedo or Andrea that you can shoot to make yourself feel better?
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nah. Lots of stabbing.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 25, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Complete and utter embarassment
This is a low point. How do you give up this many points to Charlotte? Wow…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions
Triano
Should put the starters back out there to make a point…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions
Terrible commentating too
Where did the offense go?
How about on weak-ass jump shots and lack of hustle for starters.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions
Has somebody registered the URL firemattdevlin.com?
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
HA HA HA HA…that might need to be started.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Pops with the highlight of the night...
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions
Correction
The highlight of the night will be when they walk off the court and this game is over.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 25, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Oh boy
Well this recap is going to be fun.
Terrible, terrible performance which we’ll discuss in the AM.
Solid chat though as usual folks, have a good night.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 25, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions
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