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Tip-In: Toronto Raptors Post Game Report - Shattered Game-Plan

DeRozan meets one of his childhood heroes up close and personal.  It would be one of many common looks for DeRozan for the afternoon. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press,Darren Calabrese)

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DeRozan meets one of his childhood heroes up close and personal. It would be one of many common looks for DeRozan for the afternoon. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press,Darren Calabrese)

The Raptors hung with the Magic for the majority of the the game, but just couldn't close the gap between the two teams talent-wise or on the scoreboard.  With players like Marco Belinelli banged up, the Raptors were particular short at the wing positions.  Vicious D takes a look at a loss that many probably expected...

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I was waiting for it. 

Jay Triano cracked a clipboard over his leg in the fourth quarter after yet another blown defensive assignment and no movement on the offense.

While some may be of the opinion that a 104-96 loss to the Magic is nothing to sneeze at, I'm very disappointed in the Raptors today, and quite possibly Jay Triano is too.  It shouldn't be that surprising that the Raptors scored under 100 points for this game as they were without Marco Belinelli thanks to a pulled groin. 

However, there are some things that we should all acknowledge about this team.  Here's just a few of them, but the Raptors are continually making the same mistakes over and over again with no change in sight and it is driving.me.up.the.wall.

  1. Jarrett Jack can score from the corners shooting 3s, he can drive to the basket for a layup.  He should not ever take a 3-pointer from any other position and he should definitely not take a single shot off the bounce.  If he hasn't figured it out, someone better sit him down. 
  2. Jose Calderon should not ever be guarding his man for shot.  He should always be setting up to guard his man for dribble penetration.  We see the blow-bys and it's because he stays close to his man and bites on every move back and forth that the Raptors end up with a point guard near the basket.  
  3. The Raptors should not be afraid of using their energy bench players down the stretch.  If the starters insist on taking lazy jumpers and sitting back on defense, then Triano should play the players who will be aggressive.  For this game, it happened because some players were in foul trouble, but Toronto has to use players that have gotten them back into games.  It sends a message to the team. 

At the end of the day, yes the more talented and deeper team won this game.

Nonetheless, the Raptors could have had this one and it's a repetition of errors that has cost them yet another W. Oh yeah and the refs once again didn't do the Raptors any favours either with momentum-changing blown calls down the stretch, but there is little that can be done about that.

The game started off well enough with the Raptors attacking Dwight Howard and getting two quick fouls on him.  Toronto though, refused to continue to try and attack Howard and rack up more fouls on him.  Bosh stayed to the outside in the 2nd quarter allowing Howard to conserve his fouls.  And although Dwight picked up four personal foulss by the third quarter, the Rap just couldn't manage to take advantage.  The team simply shied away from attacking the paint at the end of the game and therefore wasted a big opportunity to take out a big part of Orlando's game.

DeMar DeRozan also didn't do himself any favours with his horrible pick-and-roll work for the afternoon.  He had the tough assignment of guarding Vince Carter, but if the Dinos are going to continue insisting on starting the rookie, I'm not going to pull many punches.  Granted, part of his horrible game has to be shared with the Raptors' big man he was working with.  Chris Bosh and Andrea Bargnani would often end up sticking to Dwight Howard on the pick rather than following Carter down or hedging to slow down Carter.  DeRozan would then get hung up on the top of the screen, giving Carter little resistance to the basket or to pull up for an open jumper.  In the second half Toronto started to do the switch, but only when Sonny Weems was on the floor.  And just to illustrate that it wasn't all DeRozan, there was a particular play early in the 4th where Chris Bosh and Jarrett Jack were defending the pick and roll and ended up bumping each other, leaving Marcin Gortat with a wide open look in the paint and an easy basket.

Speaking of Jack, while I'd love to hate on the Jack and Calderon combination as is en vogue right now, Triano was left with little choice.  Weems and DeRozan showed some questionable shot selection and their defense... well, I've covered that already.  With both Marco Belinelli and Antoine Wright out with injuries, I'm going to give the Raptors a pass on the Jack and Calderon experiment for yesterday.  However, it's something that this team has to stay away from once they're back to full strength.

Raptors with a fairly good afternoon?

Bargnani's work was pretty good despite being sick.  The Italian fouled out of the game but he did try to post up several Magic players, grabbed some good rebounds, and did what he could despite feeling under the weather.  Sonny Weems gave us another great dunk in the first half, but insisted on shooting from the outside for the majority of the game, only managing to make a few of these.  We just did not see much of the aggressive Weems, especially with regards to dribble penetration and being active in the passing lanes. 

No, the player of the game had to be Amir Johnson

Asked to take on the role of being the Raptors' energy "big" off the bench, Johnson has quickly become one of the more aggressive Raptors night in and night out.  His continued work on both ends of the floor as far as being an energetic presence on the interior has been a wonderful discovery.  He was everywhere on the court; taking position away from Howard, drawing fouls on bigs, and even making the correct decision to come down into the paint from the perimeter to assist Weems with defensive mismatches on switches.   Here's hoping that his banged leg at the end of the game was only a minor thing as it was tough watching him gingerly running down the floor towards the end of the game.

It's been argued that the Dinos will need to hang their hat on defense night in and night out to win games, and that even a MEDIUM level of D will go a long ways for this club.  Defense is where Toronto has had the most trouble this year and Jack Armstrong has repeatedly called for the Raptors to pay more attention to it.  It's been nearly a month of basketball now, and the conclusions have been there for all to see.  Our starting and finishing units have a propensity to rely on jump shots down the stretch which has also led to a certain laziness on the defensive end. It is possible to win games like this, but even a small change of Marco Belinelli into the lineup has changed the make up of the unit at times.  As Charles Oakley had pointed out on a broadcast several weeks ago, the Raptors have a good collection of players, but the balance is off because some of the Raptors most aggressive defenders are in the second unit and the Raps softest personnel are in the starting unit.  It is a fairly big indictment against the starting and finishing units that Belinelli, a player not known for his defense, has been the most aggressive player on both ends of the floor at the end of games.

The question is, will one change be enough? 

On a Raptors team that has had a month of good grace from me, I'm still not sure if this unit will be able to gut out those wins and not merely rely on the jump shots falling.  More concerning is whether this group has the aggression and communication required to close out games with something more than a token defense. 

If they don't, I'm bracing myself for many more broken clipboards this season...

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Iverson...yikes

Hey,

I know this is going to cause some stupid reply’s…and this is possibly considered a very stupid comment, however, do you think we really would be worse if we took a shot at Iverson?….I geuss the problem is that he wants to start… but seriously, we can pretty much garuntee he will be better than jose and jack right now..defensevely and offense…

by Blanco on Nov 23, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, we would be worse with Iverson. The problem with this team is defence, not offence… Iverson would do nothing to help our defence outside of gambling for the occasional steal.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 23, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dear God

Let us never speak of Iverson in a Raps jersey again…unless in jest.

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Nov 23, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I.HATE.VOLUME.SHOOTERS.

They’re always overrated

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 23, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I fourth the motion as said by the previous. <> Iverson!

by Ustation on Nov 23, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gerald Green anyone?

Great article as usual. Somehow I still love watching this team even thru these losses. I think once Reggie Evans gets healthy we need to drop Pops or POB and bring in a natural SF. i’d like to see us give Gerald Green look. He’s a young 6’8 SF who still has a chance to be a solid player imo. I have no idea what shape this guy is in but if he’s put on any weight (muscle) and has a better work ethic/attitude I think he’d fit in well here.
I don’t see last night’s game but by all accounts we simply got beaten by a better team. Nothing wrong with that.

by Member29 on Nov 23, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree we need a SF (and to get rid of POB)

But NOT Gerald Green. He is a head case, and, while an elite athlete, doesn’t know how to play basketball.
I agree that we got beaten by a better team. But, if we could have had one of our injured perimeter players in there, plus Evans so we didn’t have to overuse Johnson, we might have gotten a better result.
Need to sweep both Indy and Charlotte.

by PConn on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Green might be 6’8" — but he’s a pylon. He’d probably be worse defensively than Hedo or anyone else we roll out at the SF position.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 23, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d love to see them bring in another SF too and was sort of surprised they went with Pops. However the fact that they did makes you wonder just how long Reggie is going to be out for. At this rate, he might need till after New Years just to play himself back into shape. Once we get a break in the game-day action, this might be a good blog post, looking at who else is out there who might be able to help at the 2-3.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 23, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Available SF's according to HoopsHype

Wally Szczerbiak Last team: Cleveland
Darius Miles Last team: Memphis
Desmond Mason Last team: Sacramento
Mickeal Gelabale Last team: LA Lakers
Donyell Marshall Last team: Philadelphia
Rashad McCants Last team: Sacramento
Gerald Green Last team: Dallas
Morris Almond Last team: Orlando
Patrick Ewing Jr, Brian Hamilton, Greg Buckner, DerMarr Johnson, Linton Johnson, Renaldo Major, Gabe Muoneke, Demetris Nichols, Ruben Patterson, Darius Rice, Leon Rodgers Deron Washington.

by PConn on Nov 23, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you wanted to take a chance...

Is McCants the only guy on this list who would have a shot at contributing meaningful minutes?

And please no one suggest Desmond Mason — he’s a terrible shooter, and I don’t think his defence is anything to write home about.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 23, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

McCants is actually the only one who McCan :)

by PConn on Nov 23, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

McCants is too small

i think he’s like 6’3. I liked his game tho but the knock on him was that he was an undersized SG who couldn’t really shoot. Out of that list I’d still give Green a shot over the rest. A mature version of G. Green can be helpful to any team. The guy is a legit 6’8 SF, young with crazy athleticism and putting on a little weight every year, all he needs to do is grow up, be humble and work harder and he’ll be a lock for back up SF and maybe even starting in 5 yrs (huge huge maybe).

I can’t be the only one seeing some potential here? or am i just off the handle on this one?

by Member29 on Nov 23, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Defense was not the problem today

The offense went south to start the 4th, shooting 6/16 for the quarter, and Magic going on a 19-6 run to start the quarter, game over.

Johnson, who had the game of his Rap’s life led the scoring in the 4th with 5 pts.
Not likely to win very many games when he leads the scoring with 5 pts.

The starters, Bosh 1/1 4pts, Turk 0/2 4pts, Andrea 0/1 0pts, JC 1/4 2pts, DeDe DNP.
Add Jack 1/4 3pts, Weems 1/2 2 pts, and you have it, 20 points.
It’s a miracle they were within 8 points. How can Bosh only take 1 shot ?

The defense held Orlando to 41% & 28%, and Howard 4/13 17pts, as the focus of the game plan, a winnable game vs one of the best teams in the NBA, except for the offensive breakdown, which was due to Orlando’s defense, and dependence on jumpshots going only 1/6 on 3pts by Jack, Jose, and Andrea.

by Johnn19 on Nov 23, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just by going stats, yeah, I would agree. But for me, on individual plays, the Raptors screwed up royally on the pick and roll defense all night long. It was pretty embarrassing as the Raptors would sometimes PICK THERE OWN PLAYERS by accident.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 23, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I missed the first half but saw most of the second including the conclusion. I thought during that stretch the offense was terrible too. In particular shot selection. I love Weems but he was jacking them up a bit too much and like you said, Bosh needs those touches towards the end of the game.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 23, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of points

Andrea can rebound when he puts his mind to it, totalling 30 over his last 3 games for an average of 10 per.

Chris Bosh can play defense, as evidenced by Howard going 4/13 for 17 points while being guarded for the most part by Chris.

Amir Johnson is the biggest steal of the season, and at only 22, if he continues to improve, grow his game, and reduce his fouls, is the back up centre of the future with Raptors.

by Johnn19 on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Johnson

Johnson’s contract expries on July 1st of next year.

I can guarantee everyone that if continues to improve this season and gets his foul trouble under control he won’t be staying with Raptors as their backup anything.

by Buddahfan on Nov 23, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

def stance,
Defence was definitely not a strong point of Green’s game but his overall game as a SF was at times good and very bad when he was with Dallas (really up and down). He has all the tools but lacks something, just can’t put my finger on it. I’m a firm believer in giving young players a second chance tho, especially when they have all the physical tools necessary to do the job. Look how both Detriot and the Bucks both threw away Amir Johnson and now for us he’s the best thing since sliced bread. I’d give him a couple of 10day contracts and see where his game’s at. It’s a low risk signing.

by Member29 on Nov 23, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Green’s problems are probably mental/basketball IQ… As you said, he has the tools…

Whenever I think of Green, I always remember the Celtics-Lakers game from a few years back where Kobe Bryant was just destroying Green (not that Kobe doesn’t destroy everyone). But the issue for me was that Green appeared to be near tears. He just didn’t seem to have the mentality to compete with the best in the league.

Can you imagine Shane Battier crying because he was matched up with Kevin Durant? I don’t think so.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 23, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who do you move to the bench?

Agreed there’s not enough D when calderon and turk are on the floor together. They makes bargs’ improved man-on-man D moot by exposing his poor help D. But how can you move Turk to the bench politically, besides his passing sets the tone for the offense in a very good way.

JJ is no upgrade on calderon, and JC would not be happy being moved to the second unit. Would Derozan ever get to play if not with the starters? He’s still too raw, and it’d be unfair to start giving him touches in the second unit.

Politically, Triano’s stuck with these starters, with only derozan on bubble of justifiable benching. The rest are known quantities and BC shouldn’t have signed/kept them if they weren’t going to start (NBA logic, not my logic).

Myself, I’d like to see belinelli in the starting lineup over derozan, and sit the young fella down as like ninth or tenth man. You risk creating a joey G, or light a fire under his butt to be that tough kid who makes things happen when he gets some PT.

by axl t on Nov 23, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is such a tough situation but one I do think they need to figure out asap.

Starting DeMar makes sense because it gives him “key minutes” without having him in in crunch time. Problem is, most games, he’s just not having a big enough impact at either end to validate him being a starter.

But what do you do?

Start Marco at the 2? Hard to argue with his success off the bench and I can’t imagine he’d be much of a defensive upgrade at the 2.

What about Wright? He’s got the size for sure, and this is probably the most logical move, but how does that impact DeRozan’s confidence and development? We all remember what happened with Bargs when he was yanked in and out of the starting 5. Like you said Axl, you don’t want to create a Joey G but with the make-out of this club, the time to win is now so I’m not sure how long you can wait to see about development etc.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 23, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don’t see any real solutions myself. It’s too bad that winning may be being sacrificed for egos, but chemistry seems good, so I can understand a reluctance to tinker with that.

For all the problems, I don’t feel the same rush to win now that most fans do… we’ve done all right considering all the new faces and the tough month… much better than i had predicted that’s for sure. I mean, we just lost to the eastern conference champs after going toe-to-toe with them for 3 Qs, no shame in that.

And importantly the team is fun to watch and a worth discussing again…

by axl t on Nov 23, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The only option is...

…starting Wright. Plays defence against the oponents best wing player, will tolerate being the 5th option (limited to cuts and open jumpers). I’m not aligned to the “you have to start DeRozen to get him minutes, build confidence” argument. What ever happened to players earning minutes? He’s 20 yrs old, so my argument would be he would have a better chance raising his confidence (and contributing) playing against back-ups for 15 to 25 minutes a night. No one is saying he doesn’t start later in the year or next season, but why not allow for him to mature at his own pace and get some meaningful reps up, instaed of 20 meaningless minutes where he just floats with the rest of the starters?

by MAS11 on Nov 23, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

let's remember

that derozan, at the beginning of the year, wasn’t supposed to be a factor on offense in the starting five. the four other guys were supposed to more than handle the scoring punch and let the rookie just go out there and use his hops to dirty the game up a bit.

but it’s fair to say jose, bargs, and hedo are not living up to their billing. (yet) if they were, we probably wouldn’t even be talking about him right now.

by vicPapa on Nov 23, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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