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All Triano could do was gaze in horror at the scoreboard in the fourth quarter of last night's affair.

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All Triano could do was gaze in horror at the scoreboard in the fourth quarter of last night's affair.

Toronto came out flat last night against the Utah Jazz and as Franchise notes in his recap, he's seen this movie a few times too many already this season...

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8 and 4.

Should that be the Toronto Raptors' record right now?

With last night's 104 to 91 loss to the Utah Jazz, Toronto fell to 5 and 7 this young season, however as a fan, it's hard not to look back at a number of games already and say "what if?"

For instance, shouldn't the loss to Memphis been avoidable?

What about the letdown against an under-manned Spurs team?

And maybe the Phoenix loss was one you'd place in the "anyone's game" column and therefore not a "shouldahadit," but last night's loss to the Jazz was one in my books that definitely should not have ended with the L.

For those who missed it, Toronto again took nearly an entire first half to get into game-mode, and then even though they managed to nearly pull even with Utah after being down by as many as 18, they ran out of gas in the fourth quarter.

However I don't think you can hang this one simply on "running out of gas," or "being tired on a back-to-back, and the final game of a Western conference road swing."  Pure and simple, players aren't playing up to par on offense, and this team still is borderline atrocious defensively.  Last night the Dinos had no answer for the small-ball back-court of Deron Williams and rookie Eric Maynor and while these two caused havoc for Toronto defensively, at the other end, the Raps didn't exactly do themselves any favours in terms of their own shot selection and strategy.

No need for panic, I was after all expecting a 5 and 13 start, but we're 12 games in, and it's time for some call-outs and early observations.

 

1)  The Jarrett Jack signing isn't looking so hot.

Here are the facts.  Jack is shooting 36 per cent from the field so far this season, 32 per cent from long-range, averaging less than 7 points, and most telling, went into last night's game with an almost even assist to turnover ratio.

I'm pretty sure that's not what fans or management expected when they invested their mid-level exception in him this past summer.

So, as one poster put it last night in our live game-chat, "is Jack the new Fred Jones?"

It's only 12 games in so again, I'm not ready to jump ship yet, but it's certainly a concern.  Outside of his statistical follies, he just hasn't looked like the aggressive defender I expected, nor has he attacked the rim with even the same zeal as he did in pre-season.

And worst of all in my books?  His ball-handling and decision making.  I threw this out there during the game-blog last night and I will again; it scares me to say this but I felt more comfortable with Roko Ukic handling the ball last year than I do with Jack.

 

2)  Bosh needs more help.

Bosh is putting up MVP-type numbers so far this season.  Last night he dropped 32 points and 17 rebounds on the Jazz, but didn't get much help outside of Marco Belinelli in terms of offence.

While Hedo Turkoglu and Andrea Bargnani at times have given him a boost on O, both of them, along with Jose Calderon have hardly been consistent.  If this team is going to struggle as much as it has on D, then it needs a full spread of offense each and every night.  This is particularly true if the team wants to keep trotting out DeMar DeRozan as a starter.  I like that they're trying to ensure minutes for his development, but he's really not a factor the majority of the time on O.  This is backed up by 82games.com which lists Toronto's best starting line-up in terms of percentage of time on the court ahead on the scoreboard (80%) as the Calderon-Belinelli-Turkoglu-Bosh-Bargs combination.

TSN.ca's Tim Chisholm noted this on Twitter last night and I completely agree; if this team wants to keep Bosh around, the players BC has brought in or held onto as starters need to start playing like ones each and every night.

 

3)  The defense needs to improve.

I don't think anyone expected this club to be a lock-down type.  However this is getting a bit ridiculous.  Toronto now is allowing opponents on average to score almost 108 points per game this season, and is last in the league in terms of defensive efficiency.  They're actually last by a good shot too, a full 3 points per game worse than both Memphis and Golden State.

Yes the Dinos rank atop the league in offensive efficiency, but considering their record, it speaks volumes as to how woeful their defense is.

 

4)  Shot selection and offensive strategy need work.

Additionally, the team's offense is still far too reliant on hitting jump shots and 3-pointers.  When things go cold, the club isn't attacking the rim, and of course defensively they aren't able to keep things close.  This means that quarters like last night's fourth occur, something that's extremely frustrating to watch as a fan.  No one goes to the basket yet the jump shots keep going up, and without a solid defensive scheme, the other team takes advantage and blows the game wide open.

It happened against Denver the previous night.  It happened early against the Clippers, and Bulls, late against the Spurs, and for stretches against the Suns and Pistons.  Last night the Dinos were 5 for 19 in the fourth and if you look back at the type of shots taken, you'll see that Toronto just kept jacking them up, attempting only four foul shots.

I understand that this team's strength is in shooting the J, but if they're not going down, TO desperately needs a plan B.

 

5)  Where would this team be without Amir Johnson and Marco Belinelli?

I cringe to think of what would have happened had the Raps' front office not figured out that sign-and-trade option enabling them to grab Hedo AND the likes of Antoine Wright, Amir Johnson, Marco Belinelli and Sonny Weems.  

Remember, BC wanted to sign Hedo outright regardless!

Johnson and Belinelli in particular have been huge for this club so far with Belinelli playing a mini-Ben Gordon role and Johnson giving Toronto a much-needed boost of defense, rebounding and shot-blocking off the pine.  Wright has also been a nice piece and even Sonny Weems has looked good in limited minutes.  The bench is making up for some of the starters' flaws at the moment and as mentioned earlier, this needs to be corrected.

 

After this weekend's matches against Miami and Orlando at home, the schedule eases up a bit so we may get a more true indication of this team's abilities during that time.  The club still is a long way from gelling, especially at the defensive end of the court, but there have been some positives to take from most games.

The team desperately needs to build on those over the next while to avoid falling too far behind in the standings so early in the season.

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That gaze in horror,was a dear in the headlights look if I ever saw one !!!!

by d279 on Nov 19, 2009 8:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Last year, the Raptors were one of the best first quarter teams and then they would fall off a cliff when they went to the bench. This year, they’re just digging themselves into a hole right from the opening tip. I would suggest a change in the starting lineup is in order, with the only logical move being DeMar DeRozan-for-Marco Belinelli. They have too much invested in the other starters (even if a move makes sense).

The Roko comments are funny, but really I think we’re forgetting what a trainwreck that guy was running the offence. As bad as Jack has been, I don’t think he’s quite dipped to the Roko level (and that’s in no way a compliment to either of those guys).

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 19, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Listen to Oak

Oakley made a lot of sense when he said “you don’t put all scorers in your line up” and he’s right.
That’s not the most efficient use of talent. You put all scorerers from 1 to 5 you’re wasting talents elsewhere in your team. There’s only one ball and you can only score one basket at a time.

How about take of Derozan in the starting unit and put in Wright? Make him guard the pointguards instead of Calderon or let him have the kobes and pierces and the wades. Scoring will not drop since Derozan scores like 2 points in first quarter

If you think that’s a bad idea for the kid’s development, move Torkglu out of the starting line up and put Amir Johnson or Evans when he’s back. Torkglu can be the facilitator for the second unit if need be and we got someone tough in there to help Bosh and Bargs. It might make the second unit better too cuz of his passing.

Stop putting Calderon and Jack together. That’s just retarded lol. Calderon and Wright works good together. Torkglu and Jack might work well together.

Just a thought.

The starting lineup is pure offense except for Derozan who is although doing ok as a Rookie, little impact on both sides of the floor.

Spread the offense and inject some D here and there.

by teedotaj on Nov 19, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please don’t even talk about what would have happened if BC had just signed Hedo outright. Ugh.

by Vic De Zen on Nov 19, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

bench

so if you make the move and start belli, who comes off the bench to score with the second unit? offense isn’t the problem in the starting five. bosh, turk, bargs and even jose can score the ball. they haven’t consistenly done it together, but on paper they should be and I’m pretty sure will eventually.

also, if you throw belli into the starting 5, he wouldn’t get the same looks he does now and certainly wouldn’t be able to just come in and start chucking. he’d have to take a back seat to bosh and turk. (and even bargs, probably)

I say keep the assassin coming off the bench.

by vicPapa on Nov 19, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree.

Belinelli is like our version of JR Smith. Instant O off the bench.

I also agree with Defensive Stance. It’s not remotely as bad as Roko.

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Nov 19, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, in an ideal world, Belinelli keeps coming off the bench and lighting it up. I like Howland’s comment below about Belinelli being our version of JR Smith.

But then you go back to that 82games.com data about the Raptors’ best lineup — which is Belinelli in place of DeRozan — and maybe you have to go with that to start the game in order to put your best foot forward and avoid digging a hole.

DeRozan would get more looks coming off the bench than he would in a starting lineup with Bosh, Hedo and Bargs. Maybe that’s a good thing for his development as well?

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 19, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry — Howland’s comment above mine… that’s what I meant to reference before realizing he had replied to the same comment…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 19, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re as worried about Jack as you were Roko? Do you really and truly believe that, or was that something written in the heat of passion?

by mattmelanson on Nov 19, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Roko vs Jack

An interesting compare right now. Not counting last night, per 48 minutes:

Jack this year:

Averaging 13.5 points, 3.3 rebounds and 5.7 assists to go with 4.5 turnovers on 36% shooting.

Roko last year:

Averaged 16.3 points, 4.3 rebounds and 8.1 assists to go with 3.1 turnovers on 38% shooting.

BY NO MEANS IS THIS AN ARGUMENT THAT ROKO IS BETTER THAN JACK.

I just think that right now, these numbers should scare fans a bit.

And that’s not even getting into more in-depth stats.

Look at these stats from 82games.com which include up to Toronto’s loss to Phoenix.

Jack has a “hands” rating of 9.4, their statistical attempt to examine the quality of a point guard’s decision-making.

Contrast that with the a top PG like Nash so far, who’s at 37.4, or CP3, who’s at 35.9.

Hell, compare that with other back-ups like JJ Barea (20.5) or Kyle Lowry (24.6).

9.4 is abysmal!

Even last year, Ukic with a rating of 20.4. Certainly not great, but a far cry from Jack right now.

To summarize then, no, I don’t think that Roko is a better PG than Jack however right now, yes, Jarrett has been so shaky that it does indeed bring me back to watching Ukic out there.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 19, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Marco’s gotta keep coming off the bench. DD starting is the best option for this team unless we get a veteran SG who can actually play on a high level consistently.

by Member29 on Nov 19, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately I tend to agree with this. You could maybe swap Wright for DD at the 2, but is it too late for that? I mean, a young player’s ego can be a fragile thing and would BC even consider doing that?

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 19, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Starting Wright wouldn’t be too bad but I think it would mess DD up. The rotation would also be a bit messy since we won’t have a decent SF to relieve Hedo. Raja Bell, even at 33, would have been an ideal starter here. DD would back him up, learn a few things defensively and still have confidence in knowing the SG position is his long term.

by Member29 on Nov 19, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they will be okay

I actually think the pieces are coming together rather nicely. In spurts this team plays some energetic defense. Last night Jose missed a bunch of wide open 3s that could have either kept momentum going or swung it back in the team’s favour, but they just didn’t go down. This is a Utah team that itself is rounding into form, Boozer coming back to the level he was playing at previously with D Williams returning, so I’m not as pessimistic after this loss. Last year, there came a point where there simply wasn’t any hope of an upside in the short or long term. I get a different feeling with this team, thinking that okay this year will present its ups and downs but next year it will be VERY GOOD and consistent, something you (Franchise) have alluded to previously. That makes the games worth watching. Ok, Bosh potentially leaving still has to be addressed, but one of the reasons I think you witness a lot of standing around on offense is that the other players can sense when Bosh is set on going for his shot regardless. They are not expecting a pass. Bargs is guilty of the same. The bigs should be willing to use the assist as a weapon more and then our offense moves from good to all-world great. A good model to consider is the Sacramento Kings of the Webber/Divac era (with Belli as a sixth man ala Bobby Jackson.)

Jarret Jack is a back-up point guard. If that is what he plays consistently then he will perform as expected. Asking him to guard bigger twos is not working and I think the only complaint I have about the coaching thus far is how stubborn Triano is being in that respect.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 19, 2009 12:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah well, I’m the one saying Jack might be the new Fred Jones…

For me, there has to be more balance between guys going to the rim and guys shooting it up from the outside. For just even a couple of games, I want to see what will happen if we told Bargnani to stop shooting threes and just go inside on every possession. Make him understand that if he doesn’t get the ball, it doesn’t mean he needs to hang his head in shame, but just needs to work on the offensive glass.

By far, this team has just got a tendency to use its starters in the final quarter and all of them… ALL OF THEM… have a tendency to go into Jump-Shooting mode. It’s completely unacceptable in my opinion, since most of them come in cold in the 4th with the game in reach and they shoot JUMPERS.

I mean not even the best players do that, and we have an entire group of starters that do.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 19, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Historically Bad

On the heels of my breakdown of how bad both Jack and the Defense have been – Hollinger drops a full article essentially on both.

Here are some highlights:

Despite owning the league’s top offense, the Raptors are 5-7, so you may have guessed that their D has been, well, below par. Actually, it’s threatening to rank among the worst defenses in NBA history. Through a dozen games, the Raptors have surrendered 113.3 points per 100 possessions, far and away the worst mark in the league.

To understand how bad that is, consider this: The Raps are allowing three points more than two other teams (Golden State and Memphis) that have become synonymous with barely trying at that end.

And

And while Calderon was getting torched on the perimeter, Bargnani in particular was awful as the last line of defense. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again: Calling him a center is like calling the guy who programs the synthesizers for Depeche Mode a drummer. He might be the worst help defender in basketball.

Finally on Jack:

As good as Toronto’s offense looks, it would be even better if not for the disastrous start by Jarrett Jack. One of the Raps’ big free-agent pickups is shooting only 34.7 percent and averaging a meager 10.8 points per 40 minutes. His 5.58 player efficiency rating is among the worst at his position, and like his Raptors mates, he’s had issues at the defensive end. Although Jack can defend bigger guards well, he has a lot of trouble against dribble penetration. For instance, Maynor completely wrong-footed him on a crossover Thursday and blew right past for an easy deuce.

I should note that Jack got off to a very slow start last season before blowing up down the stretch when he took over as the Pacers’ starting point guard. It’s possible he’ll exhibit the same pattern here, and for the Raptors’ sake, I sure hope so. He’s on the hook for three more years after this one at $5 million a pop.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 19, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Does he get all that stuff just by looking at the stats or does he use some tea leafs too?

by renato on Nov 19, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Would this team be better without Calderon?

Just a question, not really going to come down on either side of the argument, but given this team’s construction with wing facilitators like Turkoglu and at times Bellinelli, how might a truly defensive minded point guard who can make only the occasional shot to keep the opposition “honest” impact this team’s chances going forward. Is most of the “help” defense being required to handle the guy Calderon is regularly checking? If that cover was better handled one on one would the defensive problems be as pronounced? How many times of late have we seen Bargnani doubling on the point guard, leaving a void in the middle for rebounds? Just wondering what others thoughts are.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 19, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You’re never going to completely get rid of guys blowing by the PG and getting into the lane because of the elimination of hand checking and the trend towards smaller, quicker guards (think Aaron Brooks in Houston). That being said, you can at least slow down the penetration occasionally, which is something Calderon seems unwilling or unable to do.

The only way the Raptors could compensate for this right now is by getting a facsimile of Dikembe Mutombo to roam the middle.

Otherwise, like you said, you’d need to install a defensive-minded PG and then hope that our bigs would improve defensively without that wave of dribble-drive penetration just killing them.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 19, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jared Bayless?

Why not take a risk like we did with Alivin Williams and bring in a young guy with good size, strength and defensive ability (and he can shoot).

Otherwise there really isn’t a lot out there in terms of quality PGs that are actually available unless you think Monta Ellis is a good option (i do but not many other ppl agree). The most you might get is a sleeper like Bayless.

by Member29 on Nov 19, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bayless and The Point Guard Problems

I’ve contemplated both recently;

1) Moving Jose (is it possible we’ve fooled ourself as fans into thinking he’s a starter when really, he’s a sweet-shooting back-up in this new era?)

2) Acquiring Bayless.

It’s tough.

I like Jose and his heady pass-first style, but like Geoff said, I just don’t think you can have a 1 with his defensive weaknesses when you are pairing that with a non-defensive interior of Bosh and Bargs.

Bayless would be interesting as a sleeper but I’m not sure he’d be the answer. I got to see him play up close in Vegas during Summer League and he didn’t exactly inspire confidence playing at the 1.

Right now it’s too early to hit the panic button but unless Jack steps it up, something’s gotta give at the position at some point. I mean, I was even throwing around in my head the idea of giving Marcus Banks a shot at back-up! That’s how bad I felt Jack looked again last night!

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 19, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Has Jack been that bad? if yes, would Bayless be a better option?

I gotta agree that Jack has been a disappointment, especially since he played like a beast for the Pacers last yr. He just doesn’t seem very animated and into it the way he was when he was with the Pacers. I’d go as far as to say he looks a little unhappy out there. Having said all that tho, has he really played that bad overall? His shooting has been scary but to me he had a few pretty decent games where he attacked the rim and created offense. I expected more from him but at the same time I think we need to give him more time, at least till Feb.

What is it abt Bayless that causes him to struggle at the 1. Watching him on T.V. he seems to have all the tools for the job but why has he struggled thus far in his career? Should we be looking to keep JC but bring in a guy like Bayless as a backup who will possibly take over the starting position in a couple of yrs? Maybe come February we should be looking to sell Jack and not JC. I still have a gut feeling that Bayless will end up being a pretty good PG, he just needs to be in the right situation, ask Alvin Williams.

Jack for Bayless & Outlaw – (expiring contract and done for the season)?

by Member29 on Nov 19, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jumping the gun

The call for changes so quick surprise me.
Are we 20 games in yet? Did we not have an agreement to wait 20 games.

by Tinmann on Nov 19, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No defense Raptors

Only time when it is decent is when Johnson stood in the middle of the lane daring anyone to shoot that short layup. Somehow the Raptors are not very good in the man-to-man defense. Either they are too slow themselves to follow the other players, or they simply lack the intensity to at least slow down the player as they go by. This gives the other team very high percentage shots right in front of the basketball, thus not even requiring offensive rebounds. Specifically, Bargnani, Calderon and even DeRozen lack the intensity in some games. This attitude is bad and Triano must find ways to stop it.

by Richard L on Nov 19, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m still a bargnani fan, but how can he so continually be out of position? Does he not watch basketball? Is he doing this on purpose? When he’s there, he’s fine, he gets blocks, he changes shots, he blocks out his man, but sometimes it’s just like he’s not paying attention or something.

by axl t on Nov 19, 2009 11:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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