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Tip-In, Toronto Raptors' Post-Game Report: A Toothless D

Manu and the Spurs had a clear path to the basket all night...

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Manu and the Spurs had a clear path to the basket all night...

After calming himself with a few episodes of Entourage, Franchise sits down to discuss last night's loss to the San Antonio Spurs, all the while discussing the Raptors' defensive issues...

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It would be pretty easy after last night's loss to write a scathing review of the Toronto Raptors.

Even Jay Triano would probably say they deserved it.

I mean, how else can you explain a team shooting essentially SIXTY per cent from the field, and SIXTY-FIVE per cent from beyond the arc, and yet still losing?

It's almost unfathomable!

Well...

...almost.

It is the Toronto Raptors we're talking about here, a team that hasn't played a lick of sound defence in nearly three seasons.

And folks, I'm not holding my breath for this season to be a break-through in that regard.

If Toronto's loss to Dallas on Saturday night was a warning of what could happen on nights when Toronto's outside shooting went cold for stretches, last night was further proof that all the offense in the world isn't necessarily going to compensate for defensive letdowns.

Wait.

Scratch that.

Make that a complete and total absence of defence.

Because make no mistake about it, had San Antonio suited up Tim Duncan and Tony Parker, or even had the Raptors' own gunners on their side, the end result would have been a lot worse than a 131 to 124 loss.  I mean for all their open looks, the Spurs "only" hit about 48% of their shots from the field.  They had 28 3-point attempts for crying out loud!

However I'm not going to rant and rave here.

I did that last night during the game's final quarter, on the site's live-chat and via Twitter, and believe me I was livid.  Performances such as that of last night infuriate the "analytical" Raptors' fans, myself being one, who cringed at the idea of letting Shawn Marion go and signing Hedo Turkoglu for more money; fans who to this day can't understand Bryan Colangelo's fascination with the Bosh/Bargnani combination, and fans who readily point to various statistical measures that seem to indicate why this current Raptor squad, while an upgrade over last year, is still miles away from being a contending team.  As a fan of this squad, I often hope that these notions of mine and others are incorrect, but then games like last night's come along and it's tough not to want to scream "I told you so" to no one in particular.

And of course seeing statistical draft darling DeJuan Blair, an HQ favourite all of last season at PITT, single-handily match both Toronto's center and power forward in terms of total rebounds, while playing a quarter of their combined time on the court...well...that's just rubbing salt in the wound.

But I digress.

The bottom line here is that last night's game probably shouldn't have told you anything new about this Raptors' team.

They can light it up with the best of them on offence...

...but on defence they are quite possibly the worst in the league.

And it's not simply a matter of "not boxing out," or "closing out on shooters."  There's a whole mess of issues, starting with the inability to stop dribble penetration.

Right now, opposing players, guards in particular, are simply getting anywhere they want to on the court, and that's throwing the rest of the Raptors' already shaky D into fits.  If another defender rotates over, said guards are finding team-mates for open looks, or if no defender makes himself present, that same guard is going right to the rim.  If you watched George Hill drop 22 points on the Raptors' last night, you saw these scenarios time and time again.  There's a reason it looks like Toronto is leaving 3-point shooters open all the time - the team is so concerned with trying to help out on dribble penetration, that it's making it impossible to adequately recover and close out on shooters, especially in the corners.

Further complicating matters is that when you're constantly scrambling to get out on shooters, you're out of position then to rebound the ball, and therefore giving the opponent second shot opportunities.  For an already poor rebounding team like the Raptors, this can be a death sentence.  Last night the Spurs scored 32 points off second-chance opps so you see, while the defensive issues start on the perimeter, they expose most of Toronto's other issues as well.

"Ok Franchise, if you've got all the problems identified, how about coming up with some solutions?"

Solid point.

For starters, the effort needs to improve.

A perfect example of this is the fact that on a few occasions last night, Spurs' guard George Hill split Toronto's defence at the top of the key.  Fans are seeing this "splitting" at least once a game (Ben Gordon and Rodney Stuckey had a field day doing this last week) and this isn't solely a matter of quickness or athletic ability.  These scenarios to me are indicative of both effort and comfort with defensive schemes as well.  Maybe you get beat one-one-one on the wing or on a curl to the hoop...but having your opponent go between you and your other back-court mate at the top of the key time and time again?  Purely criminal.

Also criminal?

Matt Bonner blowing by you, and the rest of your team, and going in uncontested for a dunk.

If you're allowing Bonner to do this, what are you going to do against the Iguodalas and Wades of the league?

Outside of the effort, Triano may need to start being more match-up focussed during games.  If Jose isn't getting the job done against the opposing guard, either switch him off onto the opponent's two-guard or give him the yank.  Use Jack (although he hasn't fared much better on D of late) or even someone like Antoine Wright or Sonny Weems.  Weems finally got off the bench last night and while his play was up and down, he's got the length and quickness to be a stopper at this level.

Oh, and getting Reggie Evans back would be a nice too.

Finally, I'd also preach patience as it will invariably take some time for the team to get on the same page defensively.  I'm not expecting this club to transform into the Boston Celtics on D, they just don't have the personnel.  However there's no excuse for repeated performances like that of last night so over the course of the next few weeks or so, you have to believe things will improve just by virtue of repeated practice and increases in the familiarity between players.

You hope so.

Last night's loss was perhaps my most frustrating experience as a fan since last season when the Raps were blown out by the Nuggets, a loss that ended up being the last straw for then-coach Sam Mitchell.

That certainly was a low point, and I'm just not sure I can take a whole season full of debacles like this.

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All I can say is that I’m glad that BC got a defensive specialist like Mark Iveroni on staff because I’d hate to think what last night might have looked like if he wasn’t onboard.

What’s troubling isn’t the current win loss record, it’s the teams we lose to. In 3 of the 4 losses, we lost to:
    Memphis without AI
    Orlando without half their team
    San Antonio without their best two players

There is no reason I would accept for losing to a Duncanless, Parkerless San Antonio. That is a team we have to beat.

The funniest thing about watching the game last night is Sherm. With the score 92-91 (give or take) with the 3rd quarter running down and the Raptors bringing the ball up the court, Sherman states: "What the Raptors need now is some offence." Excuse me? That is the complete opposite of what I was thinking the Raptors needed at that point.

by Zona. on Nov 10, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sherman was driving me nuts last night and so was Devlin. I mean, Devlin was screeching like a school-girl when the Raps hit a 3 to get within 7…WHAT?

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The end scores of Raptor games are just too high… This should be the first sign that you are not playing any defense. This Phoenix style offense just doesn’t work.

by Slick_Rick on Nov 10, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody forgot to tell Ginobli, Bonner, and Hill that Rap’s were supposed to win because Parker and Duncan were not playing.

There are no supposed to win games in the NBA. Teams playing without a star are expecting extra effort from others, and quite often get it, becoming trap games as their opponents think the game will not require maximum effort to win, and lose.

by Johnn19 on Nov 10, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Iveroni

Ok seriously why does everyone constantly refer to Iveroni as a defensive specialist? Someone please tell me where he got this reputation? Was it in Pheonix where defense was as scarce as the H1N1 vaccine? Or perhaps it was in Memphis where defense was almost non-existant?

Until Iveroni is part of a team that has exemplified consistently sound defense on a game by game basis let’s hold of on calling him a specialist until he has earned it.

by JMT on Nov 10, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Iavaroni

Here’s the thing with Iavaroni; he WAS a great defensive coach both overseas and as an assistant to Mike Dantoni in Phoenix. The last part of that sentence might seem like a bit of an oxymoron (defence – Phoenix???) but I stood in a media huddle in the off-season with Bryan Colangelo, who regaled us on tales from Phoenix where Iavaroni had excellent defensive principles in place…especially around the perimeter.

However the Suns also had players like Raja Bell to work with in that capacity.

Toronto has…Antoine Wright?

Yes, the coaching staff needs to shoulder some of the blame but I still think the biggest problem is the composition of this team. There just aren’t that many solid defensive players on the roster.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 10, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“There just aren’t that many solid defensive players on the roster.”

Charles Oakley thinks otherwise. :P

by Frag on Nov 10, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t get it.

But what Charles Oakley can recommend is that we foul harder every time they score.

by bigweeze on Nov 10, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, we just need more talent. We have lots of one-dimensional players and they are all generally better on one end of the court.

by bigweeze on Nov 10, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely. I was so annoyed that I couldn’t sleep, so woke up at 2 AM to write the recap.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Devlin is just a tool

can’t stand His Raptor broadcast I watch the games with sound off. Not saying Chuck was better. Just liked Him more.

by Davl on Nov 10, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I liked Matt when he started but now it just sounds like he’s trying too hard.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 10, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think He did olympics and just called the games He was good there

by Davl on Nov 10, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

D-Fence

The sad part is, the defence doesn’t even have to be outstanding. They could be in the middle of the pack in terms of D and they’d have a few more wins just based on the strength of their offence (see the current and past Phoenix Suns models).

But this current Raptors squad is just awful. I mean, historically awful. They’re making teams look like the 1980s Denver Nuggets (which must make Alex English smile a little bit from the bench).

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 10, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Defense is a skill

I really don’t think the roster, as presently constructed, is capable of being even a middle-of-the-pack defensive team. You can preach team D and you can motivate the guys to buy in and play “hard”, and that’s definitely worth doing, but that on its own is not enough. It annoys me when people constantly talk about “energy” and “effort” as being the keys to defense – they’re necessary, but not enough, which is true on the offensive end of the floor as well. Staying in front of your man is a skill. Closing out is a skill. Contesting shots is a skill. Defensive rebounding is a function of a load of little skills, plus instinct. Making your man take tough shots, getting him out of his comfort zone – there’s an art to that. I can’t blame Triano for this, I really can’t.

by Vic De Zen on Nov 10, 2009 10:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, I totally agree, but there is an effort factor that’s missing. Getting “split” on the perimeter time and time again is more of a lack of communication and effort than skill in my books.

However certainly the other elements you mentioned do require specific skills and the majority of this group “ain’t got’em.”

If the coaching staff can coax even a decent defensive performance out of the club on a nightly basis, it will be a small miracle.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 10, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure if it’s “effort” per se. I just don’t think anyone on this team has lateral quickness. With Triano emphasizing “protecting the house”, you’re giving up space to outside shooters. That’s really where I differ with Triano’s philosphy of sagging. We’re essentially daring them to shoot and don’t get it inside.

So you have D. Howard shooting 5-13 but get scorched by Reddick, Nelson and Anderson.

In fact, I think I would have preferred Duncan to have played last night, it would have fit our style so much more.

I think we’re just going to have to fear every dribble drive team.

by Ustation on Nov 10, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely Agree

Signing Turkoglu was a step in the Phoenix east direction and reggie no way no how is going to be a saviour. One guy, especially a big who can’t score isn’t enough to plug those leaks at the top of the key. We might just have to accept this team as it is and hope the defense at least comes up to the phoenix suns level.

by axl t on Nov 10, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What should we accept this team as it is?

After playing two good rebounding games, Bargnani was back to his old self. This guy has the tools but he just likes to shoot from outside, does not play defense, follows his player around and does not play tight D. Check his plus/minus. Most nights, he is a minus player.

by Richard L on Nov 10, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not his fault. Whenever he is in the post, he never gets the ball… So how can you blame the guy?

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious

by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Nov 10, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Duncan, No Parker?

Come on… Now, what is the excuse??? What we are seeing is a team that lacks leadership. Bosh is an outstanding player, but the Raptors need a player that will inject confidence into the team. I totally agree with Franchise’s assessment of the Hedo signing because Marion (or even Ariza) would’ve been a better long term solution. Hedo is a nice compliment player since he will be an asset to any “winning” team (and I emphasize winning).
What the Raptors need is a superstar caliber player that will automatically take that leadership role. I think that after BC signed Hedo, he should’ve gone after Allen Iverson. I cannot predict everything Iverson would’ve brought to the team, but I know that he could bring desire and heart (something that the Raptors lack). Everyone in the league has collectively given up on Iverson regaining his old form, but if he were on the Raptors he could ressurect his own career. I’m a fan of Jack because he has gotten Jose out of a lot of jams this year. Jack brings a different skill-set to the game when compared to Iverson. I just feel that Iverson scoring and defending potential is more refined.
If I were BC I would be on the phone ASAP to Memphis to see if they can snatch Iverson for Jack. With our shaky starting lineup, Iverson can be slotted into the rotation immediately. Retirement should not be an option for Iverson… He has something to prove!

by Slick_Rick on Nov 10, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Iverson?!?!?!?!?

Are you kidding me? I’m afraid you lost every ounce of credibility with that suggestion. Right now, the ONLY thing Iverson does is score. And that’s the best thing the Raptors do. Why would they need another scorer when it’s their defense that is the problem? And let’s not even get into the problems Iverson would create on and off the court for the Raptors.

by Tim W. on Nov 10, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Iverson would need to start and if you think Bargnani sometimes gets ignored now….

Iverson’s talent and playing style means you need to build a team to suit him. No team in the NBA is going to do that now because of his age. Until he makes the mental adjustment that he is no longer the person to carry the team and he is a complementary piece, he is rapidly approaching being useless. So far, there’s no sign of him making that adjustment, which is tragic because he could really be a tremendous asset to a team.

by siggian on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think that the trade involving Iverson and Billups ruined his legacy. When it is all said and done before the trade he averaged 26.4PPG, 7.1ASP, 1.95SPG for the Nuggets. I agree with your opinion that Bargnani’s numbers would dip, but if Iverson is the one creating it would give Bargnani more open looks. They would have a lot more option with Iverson because if you look at the make-up of the Sixers (that beat the Raptors) they had: Mutumbo, Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, Iverson, and Eric Snow. Now, compare that to the Raptors team: Bargnani, Chris Bosh, Hedo, Iverson, and Jose. There isn’t much of a difference, and I have to say that the Raptors team looks stronger.

by Slick_Rick on Nov 10, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love Iverson.

But no way do a I want him on this Raptors’ squad. The team needs defenders plain and simple, not players who still think they’re playing in 2001 and superstars. If Iverson accepted a role off the pine, fine.

But if he can’t do that in Memphis, then he’s certainly not doing it here.

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 10, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not even sure why Memphis signed him – took him less than a week to blow up (predictably). You’d think a basketball operation would want to stay away from that type of player.

Heisley was busy slashing jobs this offseason yet commits to a moody, redundant player for millions. You’d think he would be a little more tight-fisted with his cash.

by bigweeze on Nov 10, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Memphis is a joke. They probably could’ve signed David Lee to play on that front line with Marc Gasol, and you have a nice, young core… Instead, we get Zach Randolph and AI… lovely…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 10, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“Last night’s loss was perhaps my most frustrating experience as a fan since last season when the Raps were blown out by the Nuggets, a loss that ended up being the last straw for then-coach Sam Mitchell.”

I couldn’t have summed it up any better. I think that Jay needs to seriously consider changing the structure of the team and his own philosophies. As soon as the players quit on you, you’re the next to get the blame. It is high time that Jay Triano starts to pressure his players to compete at the highest level possible. 40% effort = 33 wins

by Slick_Rick on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Defense

What I find interesting is that in many ways people thought BC had addressed the defensive issues when he brought in Jack, Wright and Johnson. Apparently this is not enough.

The question I have is whether it is the system, the players or a combination of both. Will Reggie Evans help out? Probably, but not on the perimeter.

Are these offensive games fun to watch? Yes, but they are also tough to watch. As Jack Armstrong said, if your offense disappears you have to be able to hang your hat on something and that something had better be your defense.

Might the win in NO be the highlight for this team over the course of the next two weeks? I hope not.

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Nov 10, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I actually didn’t find the loss all that frustrating, because I didn’t expect them to win. I don’t know why people are harping on Duncan and Parker being out because, even without them, they’re still a pretty good team.

I’ve been saying all along that this team will take time to gell, and I’m giving it, at least, another month before I started predicting doom and gloom.

My post game analysis here…
http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/2009/11/sometimes-i-dont-like-being-right/

by Tim W. on Nov 10, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I predicted a 5 and 13 start so they’re already ahead of the curve…

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Nov 10, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I expected a tough November given the schedule and all — but they’ve caught a lot of breaks and failed to capitalize (Memphis, banged up Orlando squad, and now San Antonio minus Duncan and Parker). They had a chance to really outperform expectations this month, and they’re blowing it. Big time!

The sad part is, we’re waiting for them to start defending at a mediocre level. Not an elite, Boston Celtics level. Not even a top 10 or 12 NBA level. Mee-dee-FUCKING-ocre…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 10, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing is, they don’t NEED to defend at an elite level to start winning. They’re offense is so good that all they need to do is play mediocre defense, and that’s going to win a lot of games. And, I think, they do have the ability to play mediocre defense, or possibly slightly better.

Let’s face it, with the current roster, they’re never going to be an elite defensive team. But that’s the roster they have right now, and there’s no point in making big changes for a while. More changes isn’t going to help.

by Tim W. on Nov 10, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Toughness

People always say to not shy away from contact on the offensive end, to attack the basket and draw a foul. The same has to apply on defense – attack the opposing player and not let him get to where he wants to be. This means putting a body on someone not letting him drive. It means not being afraid to step in front of someone to draw a charge. It means closing the gap and not allowing a player to split your defense. This is toughness and this is what we need. We cannot be afraid of getting bumped by opposing players, we must sacrifice our bodies to better our defense.

by paul11 on Nov 10, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

DeMar....BC....and Stating the Obvious

A) I know there are critical issues at hand (i.e. Defence, rebounding and dribble penetration); however, can anyone tell me why DeRozan is starting? Really? Can you not develop him off the bench? It’s not that he’s horrid out there, but he adds absolutely no value at such a critical point in the game. Put Wright at 2 to start the game…..establish a little more D with him on the floor rather than having a pillon out there doing nothing.

B) BC made a number of moves in the offseason. Yay. Now, can anyone tell me why he wasn’t smart enough to realize that he needed some defence and rebouding outside of Reggie? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Apparently you can have all the offence in the world, you still can’t seem to win winable games. Amir at least puts a histle in and always has his hand on the boards.

C) As long as the Bargnani/Bosh experiment is in play, we’re going to spin our wheels as a sub-par team. It hasn’t worked for years, and isn’t going to work now. Ship out the softie (barney), whom might be eventually be a consistent offensive threat, but will always be a defensive liability, and get some solid defensive parts in return. We have enough offensive….we don’t need Barney. Why did we let Pops walk again? Dude wants the ball more than Barkley wants to drink and drive. Calderon will always get blown by off the dribble – for life – count it! When you recognize and correct this, we can move on.

As you can see, there’s a long list accumulating here. BC best not rest on his laurels just yet. Us Raps fans have seen this crap too many times…..patience is no longer part of our makeup. The team can continue to go back to “we’re a new team, it’s a new system” all they want. Holes need to be filled – bottom line. The current makeup of the team will get you 35 wins in this league. We are imbalanced.

My perscription to all of the loyal Raps fans here – anti anxiety pills and stress management.

Here’s hoping.
Nick

by Nicholas_V on Nov 10, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

So what are you going to tell Leaf/Jay/Argos fans to do?

by Ustation on Nov 10, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol…..sorry, those fans are too far gone. I believe they’re all hooked on the knitting channel by now.

by Nicholas_V on Nov 10, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm I was thinking more like LSD.. At least they can become delusional. I like listening to how some fans categorize The Monster as a top 5 goalie.

by Ustation on Nov 10, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A) Is DeRozan starting really that much of a problem? Is moving him to the bench really going to make any difference? He’s been playing less than 20 mpg, and has been playing fairly well. People are talking as if starting a player is suddenly going to make a difference, when it doesn’t. The Raptors usually play fairly well in the first quarter, so it’s not as if his playing is hurting the team.

B) Colangelo made a number of moves, and wasn’t able to make a number of moves he wanted to. Its not as is he did’t TRY to sign Ariza or re-sign Marion. He did. Ariza took less to play elsewhere and Marion didn’t want to re-sign with the Raptors. Colangelo knew that they would have helped the Raptors more, but Turkoglu was who he could get, so he did.

C) I think a Bosh-Bargnani tandem MIGHT work, but it would need two things. Better team defense and rebounding. You don’t even need really good team defense, but just better. And they do have the ability to be a better defensive team, they just need some time. And DeRozan starting actually helps the team because he’s the best wing rebounder. Personally, I would like to try and trade Bargnani, too, but I don’t think you can do that until this summer. If the Raptors are struggling, trading Bargnani would simply be a last ditch effort to try and salvage the season to try and re-sign Bosh. And if Bosh goes, then you have to rework the pieces again, to make them fit, and perhaps the player you got for Bargnani doesn’t fit.

This is a big problem with Raptor fans, they want immediate results, when that is not necessarily what is best, or what we need to expect. Starting DeRozan is best for the long term health of the team AND of DeRozan, because he’s the player that will best eventually fit in with this starting unit, and he needs to learn to play with them. Take a cue from the Spurs and have some patience. Starting DeRozan now will have benefits later in the season, when it matters most. Your desire to have Pops also shows a lack of patience for the return of Reggie Evans, who’s simply a better all around player than Pops, who’s currently averaging 3 mpg in Houston.

by Tim W. on Nov 10, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts

I don’t think you can say with certainty that it would have been worse for the Raps with Duncan and Parker in the game. The way the Spurs approached the game shifted with them out. The Raptors have for the most part been very competitive against San Antonio, in San Antonio, and the game was close until the 4th. The right guys got hot. Correct me if I’m wrong but until last night Richard Jefferson (a perennial Raptor killer) hadn’t really done a lot. You had a team with two wing players (Manu & Jefferson) who have had their way with the Raps for years, surrounded by some sound fundamental play in McDyess and enough outside shooting to keep things honest. With Parker and Duncan out they took a more prominent role and delivered.

How can we really complain about Bosh and Bargs. The numbers they have been putting up this year would be something any team in the league would enjoy from their centre/pf combo.

Two things happen with us as fans. Our joy is so linked to the win or the loss that we sometimes don’t appreciate the process, the fun of the game regardless of outcome. Secondly, we see our players so often that there is just a larger sample set of data to work with in deciding how good or bad they are against players we see maybe four times a year.

Since this team seems very good at shooting the ball with a high efficiency and getting to the line maybe the best route to a successful season would be to grind it out more, slow down, reduce the number of possessions overall so that there are fewer chances for your opponent to score. It also saves some energy that can be used for better defensive focus. The games wouldn’t be as enjoyable but maybe they would win more.

It’s starting not to matter as much as it used to. I’m just going to try and enjoy the basketball instead of worrying too much about the team.

by HQ Interloper on Nov 10, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Duncan/Parker or not

1) Your starting 7 foot center has to give you more than 4 rebounds
2) Your 6’10 SF has to give you more than 3 rebounds

Too many times Bosh is the only Raptor under the boards battling 2,3 guys for rebounds. Of course he will wear out as the season goes on.

Evans will help some but the Defense /Rebounding issues must be addressed
   by the starters, Evans probably won’t even be on the floor in a close ball game
   cuz of his offensive limitations and bad FT shooting

by staylor on Nov 10, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Voice of reason

3 and 4, 3 and 4, My God, we are 3 and 4 !

A stinker was laid last night, absolutely. but lets keep things in perspective. W’s against the Cavs, Pistons and Hornets, L against the Magic, Mavs, Spurs, and ug! Grizzlies. . 3 and 4 sounds just about right.
We were all expecting this team to struggle out of the gates? You guys have real short memories.

I think what prompts all this criticism is they have played some good basketball for all but a few quaters.We have seen glimpses of what this team and it fills the net with glee, but a reminder of what we all predicted prior to season opener and the armchair GM’s pull out their knives.
 Is our defence a concern? Abso-freeken-lutely! Consider it a work in progress. I think Triano’s goal of top six defensively is ridiculous, but let’s not blow things up after seven games!
I accept the Mavs drubbing, and was as angry as Franchise last evening watching Matt Bonner break down our D, but we gotta just move on to next game. We stunk against the Spurs. Agreed – bring on Swirsky night and da Bulls.

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by Tinmann on Nov 10, 2009 8:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Wins against the Bulls tomorrow night (coming off a home game against the Nuggets) and the Clippers on Friday night would go a long way to restoring some hope. If either of those teams top 130 points against the Dinos, the gloves are coming off…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Nov 10, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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