Tip-In, Toronto Raptors' Post-Game Report: A Familiar Tune
After opening the season with a win over the Cavs, Franchise saw many of last year's familiar issues rear their ugly heads in last night's loss to the Memphis Grizzlies...
I'm guessing most of Raptorsnation is in an uproar this morning.
That was certainly the case last night, with Tweets ranging in anger from this summary courtesy of Mr. JE Skeets:
"I'm a fairly laidback guy, but wow do Raps losses -- to teams they should beat -- put me in a bad mood. I want to punch a bear in the mouth."
to a more balanced approach from another follower:
"Well, at least my Raptors are doing better than the Cavs"
Either way though, there's no disputing that this was a game the Raptors needed to win, and certainly could have.
However as I tweeted post-game, I'm not that surprised Toronto lost, and I'm also not that upset, as Memphis really did play their asses off in this one.
The Grizz shot 51 per cent from the field, got to the free-throw line 35 times, and most importantly, crushed the Dinos on the glass and in the paint. In fact, Memphis scored almost half their points in the key and players like Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol essentially had their way down low. It's the rebounding area that I want to talk a bit more about, because it's something that plagued the team last year, and was supposedly addressed in various fashions in the off-season.
It's extremely hard to win basketball games if you repeatedly give your opponent second and third chances to score. This is especially true on nights when your offense is sputtering. Not only are you allowing the other team more scoring opportunities, but if the other team is controlling the flow of the game by continuously out-rebounding you, then you're limiting your own ability to score and get back in the game. It's just simple math in that respect; the more chances you have to score, the more likely you are to score, and that's why it's paramount that you maximize your possessions via successfully rebounding the basketball.
Why the professor Franchise basketball 101?
Mostly because I think this rebounding issue is one that's going to haunt this team all season, and I'd rather go into some detail now on the subject, rather than harp on it all year. At some point, if this club wants to become one of the league's elite, they simply have to do a much better job on the glass, and also in terms of defending the paint. There's simply no way Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol should be dropping nearly 50 points on Toronto. And what's scary to me is that if these two can do it, what the hell are the Raps going to do with combos like Howard and Bass (Sunday), or West and Okafor (next Friday?)
And while I don't want to turn this into a "pick on Andrea" post, the bullseye in this regard unfortunately is on his back. He's simply got to produce more than five or six rebounds a game from the center position, and I truly felt that his play this evening was a big reason for the team's loss. Let me explain.
Bargs' value is one of the most polarizing topics in Raptorland; some feel that he's a rare offensive weapon on his way to becoming a star. Others feel that he's extremely overrated, and that statistics bear this out.
Myself, I see both sides, and a sequence in the third quarter perfectly illustrates the issues with the Dinos' former first overall pick.
Andrea started out the game unable to hit a shot, or do much of anything on the court. However midway through the third, his offense started to click, and suddenly the Raptors looked like the same team that wacked the Cavs over the head on Wednesday night. He was dishing, driving, and most importantly knocking down 3's. And then with his long-range game going, suddenly the Grizz were unable to stockpile defenders on Chris Bosh, thus giving CB4 more room to operate as well. It was a perfect mix, and lead to an 88 to 80 lead for Toronto.
However prior to this successful offensive series, Bargs was having issues. He failed to cut-off a baseline pass to Zach Randolph leading to an easy Randolph deuce, missed a defensive assignment leading to another basket, bobbled two missed Memphis shots leading to second chance opportunites, and drew a few completely unnecessary fouls.
What shows up predominantly on the score sheet is the scoring.
What doesn't show up so well, are the defensive gaffes.
This is why various metrics constantly penalize Andrea, while many fans and onlookers feel that these same stats are incorrect. They're seeing the scoring Bargnani, the wizard with the ball that can take over a game for stretches offensively, while the stats are capturing many of these defensive miscues, and penalizing him for that.
I believe the truth regarding Il Mago's worth lies somewhere in between but it's hard not to lean to the stats side after a game like this. There's only so many times you can watch Andrea lose post-position, or fail to keep his man off the glass. Even Jack Armstrong was calling Andrea out for "not wanting it as much as Gasol." Andrea's this team's biggest X Factor and if he's scoring and defending like he was against Cleveland, suddenly the Raptors are a pretty solid team. If he's not, then you get games like last night's.
And as follow-up to the rebounding issue, I fear that Reggie Evans is hardly the silver bullet here.
While he may have tipped the scales slightly in Toronto's favour last night, make no mistake about it - the Raptors need Andrea's offence. Reggie might have kept the Grizz from second and third opportunities and given the team a boost on D, however in stretches like last night's where no one but Chris Bosh could put the ball in the basket, would Reggie really have been the answer?
And yet while I felt Andrea's play at the 5 was a major issue last night, he wasn't the sole offender. If Andrea needs to play better on D and in the paint, Jose Calderon needs to play better at both ends. Last night looked like three seasons ago as he couldn't buy a basket early, forced the action uncharacteristically at times, and badly lost the point guard battle with Mike Conley Jr. One of the reasons Andrea was so ineffective on the glass in fact was because he kept having to show, or come to Jose's aid, as Jose was being beat time and time again off the dribble.
But let's not get too down here, this was game two after all.
Earlier in the week when I predicted that Toronto would start its season with a 5 and 13 record, this Memphis game was one I had slotted amongst those 13. For all the jokes about the Grizz, this team played very hard last night and brought a much better intensity level than did the Raptors. The result was a very close match up until the last few minutes, and I actually enjoyed a good portion of this game. It's interesting to see this Raptor-team trying to find its way amongst all the new players, and really, games like this shouldn't be too much of a surprise early on. This team is going to be a streaky one offensively, so until they can get the rebounding and defence pieces up to par, there will be many more nights like this, no matter what Chris Bosh does.
Yes, let's not forget Bosh, who was absolutely dominant trying to will his team to victory with 37 points and 12 boards as well as 4 assists, 2 blocks and a steal. He really did do everything he could to carry his team until he got some help.
Unfortunately for fans, that help didn't come, and now the Raptors stumble back to Toronto with the Herculean task of facing the Orlando Magic tomorrow afternoon.
Let's hope the team can regroup, and capture some of that opening night swagger for Dwight Howard and co.
Because Vince or no Vince, I have a feeling they're really going to need it.
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I always enjoy the read,but I think this article could of been “rapped” with one paragraph…Jose has to stay in front of his man…we wonder why Bargs is always out of position.
Silver bullet,yup he would of made a diference,added some much needed fire under the teams ass.Even Amir with his no offense to speak of would of smacked some .
We keep refering to Evans and Amir not having much of an offensive game…but it was the defense that cost us this game !!!!! we cant score if we dont have the ball.
How many blow by’s does JT have to witness before he realizes that Jose could not stay with either guards ? and please enough with the three guards experiment.I for one do not like to see Jose and Jack on the floor at the same time.
When four of our starters get their lunch served to them,it becomes a little tough to win.
by d279 on Oct 31, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So True
Jose is not staying in front of his man… I have not see him play this bad of defense even last year, and he had an injury. Usually, he is scoring and distributing, and now he is not doing neither. Here’s hoping that the Spaniard returns to form.
by Slick_Rick on Oct 31, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the first issue for sure – Jose simply needs to do a better job of keeping his man from wreaking havoc offensively. Take last night; Mike Conley is a decent player, but dude can’t shoot. So for the love of god, sag off of him so he’s not driving into the paint dropping dimes or tear-drops!
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Oct 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh not so good
Fine, Bosh put up big numbers. What does it all amount to? Another loss. This is why he’s not a real franchise player, will never be a real franchise player, and should be dumped in favour of two or three guys who hustle when this season ends.
He can’t take over a game because of his limited defensive skills, his inability to get on the break and dunk a ball in the other team’s face, and his inability to change a game with blocks and other spirit-crushing plays.
Losing to the Grizzlies, no matter how you look at it, is a terrible sign for this team. This was one of the few easy games they have this month (10,000 in attendance, good lord, this team needs a new city), and yet they got smacked. Made the Cavs game meaningless.
by Original Aaron on Oct 31, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop hating on Bosh
Yesturday, Bosh put out a crazy effort. Check out the all the comments and you’ll see that you are the only one with this opinion. The only reason the Raptors were in the game was because of Bosh. The main issue with the Raptors is that they need a supporting cast. Here is a theory that you can work with… If Bosh scores 30+ a game and no one else scores, the Raps will definitely lose. The only thing that Bosh should be doing is getting in the face of teammates that are underperforming. Other than that, don’t knock on a player that is working his butt off.
by Slick_Rick on Oct 31, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Bosh’s game last night. Notice he didn’t keep settling for jumpers?
I thought his game was eerily reminiscent of KG during the mid-90’s with the Wolves; aka NO HELP. There’s only one Lebron, Wade and Kobe, and even those guys can’t quite get it done on their own.
Don’t get it twisted, this isn’t me saying he deserves a max deal two games in – but he played just like a max player should last night; not his fault he’s a PF instead of a SG.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Oct 31, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can can definitely draw comparisons between Bosh and KG based on last night’s effort. Bosh had absolutely no help. He even picked up a couple of fouls trying to cover for Bargnani’s lack of defence.
The match-ups last night clearly called for a lot more Rasho and a lot less Bargnani. but for whatever reason, Triano decided to let Bargnani get abused repeatedly.
If you can’t rebound, you can’t win consistently in the league. They even had a piece at halftime that illustrated this, but Triano can’t seem to follow his own advice.
I’m beyond frustrated after watching last night’s game slip away…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haters
Original Aaron, Bosh was absolutely dominant in every aspect of the game last night. How you can say that that proves he is not a max player because they didn’t win is absolutely beyond me… If he din’t play as well they would have been blown out.
by MAS11 on Oct 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How was beating the Cavs meaningless?
I fail to understand how Original Aaron has dismissed the Cavs win like he did. How was it meaningless? Would you rather have us 0-2 at this point rather than 1-1. I am looking at the big picture, which is survival mode in the first 20 games against superior opposition for the most part. Had we lost to Cleveland and beaten Memphis, guess what, our record would still be 1-1, as it is now. Personally, from a fan’s enjoyment level, I would much rather smack the Cavs at home and lose to the Griz on the road. At least the home crowd enjoys the game, and gets a free slize of cardboard pizza to boot. Bottom line, this team needs to gel, and we are going to see tons of inconsistencies out of them until they learn their assignments together. Panic mode – absolutely not. Rebounding issues, Barg’s erratic play, Jose getting blown by consistently, these are issues that will need to be addressed, which I am sure they are now. The $64,000 question is will the Raps find a way to minimize them, or will they continue to be an albatross around their necks all year long, and if so, you can kiss the playoffs goodbye period.
by briangerstein.com on Oct 31, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally Agree
There’s no way you can dismiss the Cavs win unless Cleveland suddenly starts losing to teams like Jersey, New York and Charlotte on a regular basis. That’s still a very good team and beyond everything, Toronto played very well and deserved that W.
Last night simply showed that there are still some of the same cracks from last season that the team’s going to need to work on during the regular season.
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Oct 31, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the end of the day, the Raptors are exactly where we thought they would be after 2 games…… 1-1. I have a feeling that this is the team we are going to get all season. A team that gets up to play good teams (Cleveland) then plays down to a weaker opponent. This game had disaster written all over it from right after the Raptors dusted of Cleveland as I could see them totally overlooking Memphis with Orlando coming in to town on Sunday. On the bright side, at least if you are going to lose to a crappy team on the road, it might as well be one in the western conference where the games do not mean as much. Hopefully, this will be a wake up call to the team and they realise that they cannot just show up and win against the lower ladder of the NBA.
by McGateway on Oct 31, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Coming off a 33 win season - Who do they think they are to overlook Memphis?
McGateway, if what you say is true, and they overlooked Memphis, then Triano personally has to take responsibiity for the loss, as it is a coach’s job to ensure that his player’s are in the right frame of mind to play their opponent. Triano controls the distribution of minutes, so if he sees player’s not executing properly and/or underestimating their opponent (although I have no idea how they could be) then he has to within the game call a timeout – sit the player(s) down and explain why to them. This is the only way to do it. My biggest fear about Triano is that he is too nice a guy, being Canadian (it is in our blood) and does not have the total respect of the players as a disciplinarian. This has to be done during the game itself, and not for the next game, which almost like a dog that wets the carpet, you have to discipline in the moment, not days later.
by briangerstein.com on Oct 31, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beyond Depressing
Hopefully they can get hyped for Vince.
by PConn on Oct 31, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Although sounds like Vince isn’t going to be playing…
by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Oct 31, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Vince. No Rashard Lewis. Playing at home… Ideally, you’d like to see the Raptors capitalize on this and pick up another win against a championship-caliber opponent. But you know Jameer Nelson will light up Calderon like a Xmas tree, and Dwight Howard will put up 20/20, and some random player like Ryan Anderson will connect on 6/8 from 3.
Then you roll the dice on Bargnani and see which one decides to show up. Whether he’s hitting from the field or not, you know the shitty defense will be on full display.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Oct 31, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Il Mago "Now you see me, now you don't"
Andrea simply cannot go into hiding for any quarter. We have decent players to hold the load, but Andrea is an integral part of the game’s outcome. The major knock on Andrea is his lack of composure to play defense when his offense is missing. I can see that he gets out positioned everytime a shot goes up. His inefficiency to box out is evident with Marc Gasol’s and Zack Randolph’s bloated offensive and defensive rebounding numbers. You simply cannot let smaller players out rebound taller players. Jay Triano needs to stress the point that the Raptors starting lineup is taller than most teams and they should use that as an advantage.
In the end, rebounding does come down to heart and desire, but there is no reason why Rasho (with his limited minutes) is out producing Andrea in the rebounding department… Explain that!!!
by Slick_Rick on Oct 31, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bargani through the PVR lens
Slick_Rick you beat me to it, but going to add my two cents anyways…
The PVR is a beautiful thing. It allows you to pause and rewind live TV. I found myself rewinding and focussing on Bargani after every Memphis offensive rebound and put back or second chance point. I came to two conclusions last night: Bargani was directly or indirectly responsible for at least 75% of Memphis’ second chance points and Bargani is a watcher not a fighter.
Watch Bargani when an opposing shooter puts a shot up, two things happen, Bargani watches the ball and his opponent boxes him out. Happens almost evrytime. He just stands their and watches the ball, while the good rebounders box him out or jockey for position. I hope the coaches are hammering this into him because its as plain as day and the good news is it is correctable. But alarming that in his fourth year in the league he still hasn’t learned the importance of BOXING OUT!!
by MAS11 on Oct 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid to say
I don’t think Jose can catch up with many point guards in the league. He just doesn’t seem quick nor athletic enough to defend many point guards.
by Frag on Oct 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Use your depth
I thought coach could’ve given Amir a look yesterday as Barg’s was a total liability in the first half. In as much as you want to help the main guys settle in some tough coaching (time on the bench) does help sometimes while the team performance is not being hurt with inefficient minutes. I don’t see why you won’t use the depth advantage which is one of the strenghts of this new squad. I’ll say same for Jose.
by Scores on Oct 31, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
The game tomorrow goes to the team with the fewest guys who are going to the Jay-Z concert tonight. A 1:00 p.m. tipoff after that? Yikes!
by Jdbar on Oct 31, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re being a little to hard on Bargnani. Could he have played better? Absolutely, but Randolph and Gasol are two big bodies. You can’t call Bargnani out for not stopping Gasol, but not mention that Randolph had his way with Bosh. Further you didn’t even mention that Hedo was a complete non factor. He hit a couple of threes, but was mostly invisible, he’s going to have to bring more if he wants to justify that salary.
by CalexanderJ on Oct 31, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No defense, no wins
Bargnani is no longer a rookie. One dimensional offensive player does not deserve the money that he is getting paid. Over the years, he’s been told to go to the basketball when he has cold hands and he has got to help out on rebounds for a man of his height. The key question here is desire. This guy just does not want the ball. You cannot buy his heart. That’s the difference between Italian and US players.
by Richard L on Oct 31, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a career game is in the making...
With the way that the Magic are playing, and the defensive lapses that have been happening (although they’re continuously being worked upon); I have a feeling Nelson is in for a career game. Him or Howard as they’ll be guarded by our weakest starting defenders (Bargnani and Calderon). And I agree with Franchise in that the Raps are going to start off on the losing end for the next few weeks based on their schedule and time still needed to play better together. Hope I’m wrong on the career game and Raptors rough opening few weeks.
by 6264 on Nov 1, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let's all remember Rap's are 2 games into the season at .500
Someting we all have to remember Memphis played very well at 51% FG shooting. They are an NBA team, playing at home, with some very talented players, and they want to win also. No wins are guaranteed. The games are won buy the team with the best team effort on a given night, no matter their record, or our perception of their team.
As well as Rap’s looked vs Cleveland, they looked as bad in Memphis. Team defense, and intensity was non-existant as they failed to adjust to the diffence of 2 active inside bigs, vs Clevelands, guard, small forward and slower bigs offense. Defense is a WIP, and will be all season, as it depends on 10/12 players all contributing together as an effective team.
Except for Bosh and Rasho, everyone else played poorly, even though they scored 107 points, the offense was in hits and misses for minutes at a time, but not why they lost.
You cannot single out Andrea or Jose, without including the Turks 4 bad
turnovers and team worst minus 20, all at critical times with careless passes. He is 2 games into a new team, with new teamates, and it will take time to adjust.
To expect Bargnani to turn into a good defensive player, rebounder, and effective post player after spending his formative years in Italy as a 2/3 scoring forward is unreasonable. He is still, and will be a WIP in both areas, and will continue to grow.
Calderon also did not play well, but let’s remember that he also has the toughest adjustment to make to include the Turks role, and fit the new players into the offense, as well as get his game, and shooting stroke in shape. He needs be more aggressive looking for his shot. and driving to the hoop, and drawing fouls, to free up others for shots, while making the defense react to him.
For Raptors to win they must have very good performances from at least
2 starters and good help from the bench. Vs Memphis it was not there. Bosh can play as well as he likes, and he has with 29pts and 15rbs avg., but is 1-1 after 2 games, but no one player can do it himself, not Kobe, LBJ, or KG, or anyone.
by Johnn19 on Nov 1, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Our biggest problem is Hedo, not Bargnani.
Need a bucket late in the game? He throws Memphis an outlet pass for an easy fast break bucket. Or, he drives and takes a wobbly jumper from outside the paint. Granted, he did get a no-call on a foul, but he isn’t exactly getting high percentage looks. He’s getting off these driving, twisting fall-away jumpers that are low percentage and require a bailout foul call to be effective. I shudder to think what it will look like when he loses another step (he’s already lost the extra one D12 provided on the screen/roll)..
He is being paid to perform NOW, to carry the offense when Bosh cannot. I’d put this guy on a short leash and let Derozan play more – we could use more guys who hustles their way into points and attack the rim. Carroll ate our lunch with his energy and aggressiveness because we couldn’t match it.
by bigweeze on Nov 1, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame bargnani
Bargnani was part of the unit in the third who built the 8 point lead…
Bargnani, rasho, belli, jack, wright I believe. They played some nice defense and executed.
The starters came in just got outhustled a little but still had a chance, which the refs took away with about 3 or 4 no calls on drive to the rim starting around the 4 minute mark, bosh got hit, calderon, so instead of fouls shots, memphis was converting fast breaks.
Don’t get me wrong, bargnani needs to rebound better, but I think there were more significant issues leading to this loss.
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