Game Day Preview vs. Celtics
Another preseason game and another opportunity for the Raps to continue to work and improve on their team game. Taking a peak at what to look for tonight in match number 5.
The Raps continue to work things out as the preseason rolls along and as mentioned over the course of the past few days there is much to work on.
The next opponent for the Raps? How about America's Most Hated Team, your 2009-2010 Boston Celtics. I am sure Jose Calderon would agree.
There will be a few of things to keep your eye on Weds evening as the Raps face a team that has really had their number in the recent past.
1. When will the starters catch the feeling? Right now it seems readily apparent that the Raps bench have their act together while the starters are working things out. Maybe this is a direct reflection of the fact that the bench guys are all playing for PT while the starters know their minutes are coming and are easing into the season. Frankly whether or not the starters manage to play better this game or the next is pretty irrelevant. It's more important right now that the bench is playing well.
I won't be making any judgments about Jose/Bosh/Bargs until the home opener against the Cavs and beyond. Obviously things are not going that well and we are yet to see any true chemistry between the guys who actually wore a Raps jersey last season but there shouldn't be any alarms going off. That being said it would be nice to see the starters put things together sooner rather than later...might this be the night?
2. Who is getting less burn? It is at about this point where Triano will start trimming some minutes and will start shortening the bench even just a little. Who will see less time? I think it's fair to say that Quincy Douby, Patrick O'Bryant and Marcus Banks, despite having shown some improvement are all destined for the end of the bench and we will see whether Triano agrees. Perhaps the more interesting question is who out of Belinelli, DeRozan and Weems starts seeing less time and how does everything change with Antoine Wright is ready to see the floor. Are any of these guys sure bets for PT when the season starts? Outside of DeRozan it seems like a toss-up to me.
3. How rusty with Hedo be? Looks like the off-seasons big acquisition will be in the line-up tonight. This is the beginning of a beautiful thing or the start of a nightmare? It will simply be nice to see Turk on the floor. His minutes will likely be very limited and spent solely with the other starters. How he performs tonight is secondary to the fact that he is actually suited-up. Finally we will see Triano playing with close to a full deck.
Last, I wanted to get on my soap box for the first time this year and it's in response to the whole "it's going to take time argument". I think this is a totally acceptable argument when defending the Raps preseason play. These guys are all learning each others strengths and weaknesses and learning a new system. It is taking time and they are in the process.
What is not acceptable is when it's used in discussing the regular season. On more than one occasion I have overheard people discussing the season ahead and already they are defending a slow start by the Raps with this idea. Sorry folks but in my opinion once the preseason ends this argument is just a huge excuse with little substance. When people say it is going to take time for this team to gel it implicitly means that it's o.k. if this team struggles and loses games early in the season. That's BS. It's not ok and there shouldn't be any excuses. Every team in the NBA at this point of the year is working things out and could use the "time" argument to defend their play.
New coach? Need time.
New Players? Need time.
New System? Need time.
There are very few teams out there, in particular after a particularly busy offseason, who are not working out the kinks and trying to get everyone on the same page before the regular season kicks off. It's the teams that gel first that will be successful when the games count. By saying this team needs time to gel we are setting the bar awfully low and I, for one, am not onside. Forecasting losses early and already excusing them is just not acceptable in my books. Why not raise the standard? Isn't the month long preseason the time to gel? There are only a handful of teams out there who look very similar to last season. Ironically the Raps opponent tonight is one of them.
I hope, when the regular season kicks-off, that the Raps play doesn't need to be defended.
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I agree 100% about needing time being an excuse. The reality is their schedule is going to be very difficult the first month and I wouldn’t be surprised if they start out 4-6 in their first 10 games. At best I think this is a .500 team although that could change if some of the pieces added to the bench (Johnson, Weems, Belinelli etc) step up and provide more than you can currently factor them in. All this talk about being a 50 win team is ridiculous and as delusional as the Celtics fans believing their team is worth hating when they have one championship in the last 20 years and are older than dirt.
by McGateway on Oct 14, 2009 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this team can be a 50 win team. Based on talent it could be even higher but I expect some winnable games being lost due to lack of chemistry. Coming from many seasons of loosing, in my opinion is letting you guys overvalue the team weaknesses and undervalue the strengths, while at the same time, doing the opposite for opposing teams.
PS: Boston? did the addition of a player who stopped playing two years ago means all that much? I do not think so, who is supposed to compete ahead of the raps? Philly? please… Chicago? (they managed to loose three out of four against last year Raps edition. Wizards? maybe….
by renato on Oct 14, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the question… Is this team better than the 2006-2007 team? I’m not sure about that. And hell, the other problem is that the entire Eastern Conference is much stronger than it was in that year. We didn’t even hit 50 wins back then, so I’m not sure where 50 is going come from.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 14, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
50 is a target set by Colangelo, not a garantee of results with this crew.
In 06/07 , incorporating 9 new players they started 5-10 in Nov ( with a 6 game losing streak) and 8-8 in Dec before starting to win big inJan and finish with 47 wins, against the WEAK EAST, with Boston a disaster.
Past experience is no guarantee of future results, but cannot be ignored as an indication of most of the players being unfamiliar, with each other or this offense.
by Johnn19 on Oct 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that’s what he wants, but at the same time, we should think a little. It’s his target and he’s admitted as much, but it’s not what he may realistically believe the team is capable of. That’s all he’s ever mentioned.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 14, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about the time issue. It may very well be a limiting factor, why not wait until you see what happens on the court before you decide whether more time would have helped? It’s really something that can be best judged by looking back and seeing when and where they either fell apart or gelled.
Doesn’t it take time for people to get to know each other, learn things? Didn’t it take time for this website to get better?
I think time can overcome other deficiencies. Don’t teams get better if they stay together year after year?
I think a month is a pittance of a time for an almost totally new team to come together and I just hope they have enough mental toughness and patience to keep working hard at it until they get to a point where they are getting the most out of what they have.
by axl t on Oct 14, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are 5 top teams in the NBA…The Lakers, San Antonio, Boston, Cavs and Orlando everyone else is all group together. I think if all the players on the Raps play their roll and hold their own, this current Raptor team could be the next team in the East to take the next step to the Elite Level. The same for Denver in the West. So with that said, I totally agree with Howland, I don’t buy that “we need time to Gel” crap, everybody has the same amount of time in Training Camp, All these players on the Raps have been in the NBA except for DD so they should know the game, the only one I would give some slack is DD and that’s because he is a Rookie and so far he seems to be gelling fine.
I expect big things from my boys this year………….Happy New Basketball year to all my fellow posters and the HQ crew looking forward to sharing your insights for anther season…..Raps4Life.
by raps4life on Oct 14, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you guys are being way too hard, and dare I say a touch hypocritical. if we can agree that the best and most successful teams in basketball – especially basketball – are the ones that have been together the longest, then why isn’t a team that is literally brand new from top to bottom including the coaching staff not allowed said time to ‘gel’? not all teams are walking into the same training camp, with the same issues. you can’t tell me all teams are created equal and should be judged the same just because they’re all supposed to be ‘proffesionals’.
I understand there are expectations. but seriously, can we not save this talk for, say, december? I for one am not going to judge them too harshly for coming out the gates a little slow. especially considering they’re going to be playing teams that have a couple years worth of ‘gel’ time and playoff experience under their collective belts.
and that’s not an excuse. it’s the reality of time. (not to get too phi-li-mosophical about it all)
by vicPapa on Oct 14, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2006/07 team
btw, where’s all this love for the 2006/07 team coming from? I love my raps, but that was a year a lot of things lined up on the proper luckly side of things. seriously, check who was coming off the bench (outside of garbaisahoser) and you’re telling me this years bench doesn’t have the potential to be better?
again, these are discussions that aren’t really going to have any merit until they played some actual for-realsies games.
by vicPapa on Oct 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, it had Calderon and Bargnani coming off the Bench. I believe the bench this years is way more athletic and talented and deep, same goes for the starting 5. The 2006/7 team had also many players who had to get used to play in the NBA, this is less of an issue this year. On the other side, Turk and Bosh have not plaid yet (Bosh just a little) so, while a slow start could be an issue against top teams the Raptors overall talent should be enough to deal night in and out with all the others. Frankly, did really Philly impress you the other day? Has any other team in the conference really shown they are way ahead?
by renato on Oct 14, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Oct 14, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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