Tip-In, Toronto Raptors’ Post-Game: A Tale of Two Jump Shooters

I just hope Jay doesn't start trotting out a small lineup often. It's not going to be pretty as far as rebounding is concerned. I mean, heck, even VC got 10 rebounds from the wing.

It was very difficult to watch the final minute of that game..

does anyone else think its unacceptable for bosh to have 3 bobbled pass turnovers??...honestly all three were just pure mental errors on his part, which just cant happen from your franchise player. If i recall correctly I beleive at least 2 of the three led to easy transition buckets...and we only won by 1 point...so do the math. Its stuff like that, that frustrates the hell out of me with bosh. Too often he settles for jump shots, most of which are off balance and he has numerous careless turnovers...am I the only one that thinks hes overrated at times? Dont get me wrong..there are times when he dominates and takes over...but then there are other times where im left scratching my head as to why he would take certain shots.

Few other things I didn't get to mention in the post:

1) Please, please, please let Aminu fall to us in the draft. His length and skillset would make him a perfect fit at the 3 for Toronto down the road...

2) Thanks to all for the posts regarding Justin.TV and http://atdhe.net/. Watched the game on the latter and quality was surprisingly good. Hopefully both continue to provide coverage in the future until MLSE, TSN, Rogers and everyone else gets their collective act together.

3) Joey Graham's development has been huge for AP in my opinion. With him able to stay out of foul trouble, it means AP doesn't always have to guard the other team's swingman and thus frees up his offence. It's a subtle point but I think one that pays dividends as the season continues.

Gotta get the W Friday night at home though.

big d:
Your absolutely right. The primary weakness in the Raps crunch time offense is that Bosh is seen by the coaching staff and his team mates as the primary option. You should consider getting yourself some protection after critizing Bosh in this space.

http://atdhe.net/ is amazing quality, I love it!

raps r gonna get 4 in a row ad we will be back....still hoing forthe marion trade but it dosnt look like it will.

ballsy move by triano to go small, seems to me mitchell wouldn't have... don't expect these smalls to save the day, but somehow worked out... hopefully it means their confidence gets a long term boost...

Watching Harris dribble on that final play, I had visions of him going in for an easy lay up. Teams never have problems getting easy layups against Toronto. So, in this case, I was just happy to see Harris pull up. The fact that he missed (obviously) made it sweeter. However, I don't think we can blame Joey too much for how wide open Harris was. Imagine being on a team with horrible defensive rotations and pea brains (Moon) and having to defend a guy like that on the final play...

I like a number of things about Triano. I especially like his demeanor and that he seems to allow players to make mistakes in order to grow into better players. Hence, joey's progression. However, his actions do not indicate that Roko"s development is a priority.

-good to get the w but man that last few minutes was painful - even on game in an hour! Team still needs to execute way better in games down the stretch...

I take a win in NJ any way we get it.

Nets are a tough and odd team to match up against for the Raps. Their bigs know their roles (Mr. Frank!) and play spirited aggressive ball on both sides of the floor negating our supposed advantage (Bargs could and should expose them but Crawford made sure he was a none factor - I swear he is Donaghy's mentor). Their guards are hell for us to stay with (quick slashers who can finish) and the 15 threes kept them in the game. Thankfully our guards stepped up and took advantage of the porous backcourt D of the Nets.

Last night Devlin casually alluded to VC as a possible "workman like" type player during a highlight of Carter; don't think he was joking; then Jack totally blasts that garbage outta there!

Jack's quote was something like "don't think so Matt....I've called too many of his games to know better."

Devlin threw him a lifeline to try and rephrase his diss, but Jack stuck to his guns as usual.

Honestly where would we be without Jack? (Well those of us that could actually see the game.)

Dayoner - great point, heard that too. Devlin's been ok, but sometimes he gets a bit carried away with things.

Going forward does anything think that Colangelo will actually make a deal now before the deadline???

I don't see it - think he'll hold his chips till the summer.

My $0.02:

Hearing Devlin botch the call, and yell "overtime", really made me miss Swirsky. Overall I think Devlin's doing a good job, but at that moment when the Raptors barely dodge a bullet, I really wanted to hear "Raptors win, Raptors win, Raptors win!!!!"

Last nights game was a perfect microcosm of VC's career. How many of you thought he was going for 40 last night? He only ended the game with 27 pts. Of course that's nothing to sneeze at, and looking at the box score you would think he had a decent game, he was the high scorer. But VC just quit, he didn't want it badly enough. When the going got tough, VC wilted. VC's got to be one of the most frustrated players in the history of the league. His career wasn't held back by injury, or drugs, or off the court issues, but by the fact that he doesn't want to be great. I'd say VC is one of the three most physically talented wing players EVER. In terms of pure altheticism I'd rank the top three as LeBron, Jordan, Vince. VC turned 32 this week and he's still more athletic virtually every current wing player outside of LeBron. He would drive me crazy to have to watch on a daily basis.

Lastly, Bosh needs to step it up. Yes, he does a lot of good things, but he needs to cut down on some of the turnovers, he's got stone hands, and he needs a bread and butter, high percentage move that's unguardable one on one. Doug Smith is right in that Bosh is asked to do a lot of things that most bigs aren't asked to to. But I'm struggling to think of a time when Bosh has delivered in the clutch. He didn't last night, and remember when he was blocked by Noah a few weeks ago. Refs aren't going to bail you out on the last possession so he needs to realize that some of the moves that work in the 1st quarter won't work with the game on the line.

Franchise...
You keep mentioning Aminu (Wake Forest), so I did some research and found a good read at: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Al-Farouq-Aminu-1293/

Be sure to read further down the page - some good stuff. I say he stays in college for at least another year. He won't be a contributor on the Raps in year 1 if they do have the opp. to take him in the '09 draft.

You guys are all welcome for tuning in to http://atdhe.net/ I must have posted it 6 times before I get some feedback. And last night they were switching to different game during the half. It did not go down once...If you have a good computer the quality is excellent.so much for TSN2. So we finally got a break, looks like the basketball Gods have finally heard our prayers which means this will be a different Raps team going forward.I see them winning 2 of the 4 big games to start February. Don't know which 2 yet though but i think Orlando will be one..Raps4Life. http://atdhe.net/

Im on the Aminu bandwagon, that kid is the perfect 3 for a bargs/bosh front court.

Loving the Aminu love!

Nick, read the Draftexpress piece, actually linked to it in our prospect rankings piece on the homepage. I'm not sure he'll come out this year but if he does, I'm hoping he's raw enough that he falls to Toronto. He reminds me of a more athletic version of Deng at Duke...a scary thought. Yes, he makes some mental mistakes etc but he's only a freshman. And while I don't think he'd have a major impact on the club for at least a season or two, he's exactly what the team needs at that 3 spot; an aggressive, long, athletic presence. With Bargs probably always going to be a mediocre rebounder, it's essential to have a great boardsman at the 3. Aminu leads Wake in rebounding, and he's already a terrific shot blocker.

Bye, bye, Jamario.

VC turned 32 this week and he's still more athletic virtually every current wing player outside of LeBron. He would drive me crazy to have to watch on a daily basis.

Chris - my sentiments exactly.

Raps4Life - Sorry, I must have missed it in the comments section prior to last night but you were bang on - even on my 5 year old desktop the game looked pretty good. And it was interesting to hear it from NJ's perspective in terms of the commentators. They were loving Jose.

Anybody hear Jalen Rose's comments about Bosh to NY? Is Rose just another Marty York and we should just take it with a grain of salt, or does he have the inside track?

I sense we're going on a run, but a (SMALL) part of me laments the fact we couldn't (while having the legit excuse of injuries) have finished at the bottom of the jumble of teams just outside of true incompetance (Pacers, Bobcats,Raptors,Knicks, Bulls, Bucks) which in that order currently occupy the draft slots 8 through 13. I don't see these teams getting that much better in the next two years, so this was our best chance at securing a late lottery pick, and a player who has the potential to be more then a solid starter. The draft is a crapshoot, always is when you are dealing with players that young. But it gets to be more and more of a crapshoot the further down you are. We really need to hit a homerun with this pick, free agent signings alone won't be enough to get us where we need to be.

Food for thought, Bobcats draft DJ Augustin at 9, followed be the Nets with Brook Lopez at 10. Look at the kind of impact these guys are having on their teams present and future.

Jason - They're talking about that on Hoops on the Fan 590 right now.

I'm not sure how anyone can seriously put stock in what Jalen Rose says - he's Stephen A. Smith part 2. Bosh has come out since and said again that he hasn't made any decision one way or another and I think that's true. Really, regardless of what anyone says, I think the ball is still in BC's court to make some moves and convince him to stick around.

PS - Bosh back in the All-Star game for his fourth straight time...great to see.

Interloper made some great points about Parker's value both now and in 09, since he can cover PG as well as SG. Ukic isn't far away from making a contribution, just needs an "Il Mago" summer to adjust his game in light of what he's learned this year. Signing a backup PG to a multiyear deal could be overkill.

His comments also got me thinking about how Parker compares to our other wings. Nevermind slashing and perimeter D, he's the ONLY one we can trust to get the ball, maybe dribble a little bit and make a decision. That completely blows my mind.

Questions
1) Franchise and Howland, from the ACC ball you've seen how do Gerald Henderson and Danny Green stack up as shooting guards?

2) Doug Smith keeps hinting that any 09 caproom would be useful to facilitate trades, perhaps moreso then outright signings. Throwing Andrei Kirilenko out there, as a mismatch on the Jazz. What kind of things does he contribute besides the blocked shots and steals, ie rebounds, offensive ability and bball IQ? Would he be a good fit with Bosh and Bargnani?