Tip In, Raptors' Post Game: Tearing off a Piece of the Moon

Great article. I personally have been off the moon bandwagon since the playoffs last year.

Anyhow, any news on JO trades? Seems a lot of what was being discussed has quieted down.

If the rumours about Howard for Marion are true, is there any possibility we can make this a three way? O'Neal to Miami, Howard to Toronto, Marion to Dallas?

I was on the bandwagon for about.... 5 games when he first started to make an impact last year starting with that Philly game. Since then, I've been way away from the bandwagon even though I'll acknowledge that he does go through spurts of offense at times.

Nothing on the JO front. If Banks is the sticking point, I'm not as in favour for the trade as I once was. But I do believe a trade is a must... Just as I don't believe Colangelo will tip his hand on the need for a trade as it weakens his position.

It's all about brain power for jamario moon, and there's something about him that's seriously off. And this is not just to pile on, but he maybe has a learning disorder - it seems like the guy has not learned one single thing since the first few times I saw him play. He's got his good timing and quick hops, but when the other team needs a stop and a score, he's just too easy to exploit.

axl - If he was more apologetic for it, or had some need to change, I'd be all for it. But he's almost defiant in his explanations and complacency...

I’m going to have to go against my partner at the site a bit here.

I watched the game again last night, especially the last five minutes, very closely.

Yes, Moon took perhaps the worst shot since Chris Childs when he jacked that 3, and his fouls were bad too…

HOWEVER

The last four or five minutes represented some ridiculous errors from the ENTIRE TEAM. Parker and Bosh were both guilty of unnecessary turnovers and Roko made some questionable decisions before that.

Moon actually grabbed two straight offensive rebounds which kept Toronto in the game. If he hadn’t grabbed those then TO wouldn’t have even been within striking distance near the end.

The problem I have with focusing solely on Moon is the same one I have with focusing solely on guys like Solomon. I’m just not sure what else people expect. NONE of these guys should be in the prominent roles they currently (well Solomon not so much now) find themselves in and that’s not their fault. Could they play better? Of course. Am I saying that Moon doesn’t drive me nuts by jumping on each pump fake and refusing to take the ball to the rim? Of course not. But it’s like blaming Hoffa for being picked where he was in the draft…management shouldn’t have put this team in a position where we’re relying on guys like Moon and Solomon to make or break a season. That’s just ridiculous.

This team needs help and soon. It’s unreal but as one reader pointed out yesterday, the club is suddenly sitting with a top 10 pick in the draft and as Minny continues to win, and Oklahoma and Indiana showing sings of life, suddenly this team could end up finishing in the bottom seven of the league.

I don’t care what Colangelo says about "never stating the team would be tops of the East," there’s no way he expected things to be this bad.

can't argue that franchise (re: moon) but I just think there has to be something to be done, more tape, a brain specialist (a la chris kaman), sitting him down when the game's on the line, starting joey... I don't know. I just seems like inevitability, if they leave him open, he shoots, if they pump fake him enough, eventually he will bite and it's not even a gamble for the other team... when you have that predictability, it's easy to strategize based on that...

Surprised that no one else is excited about the possibility of continuing to use AP as a backup PG to Jose. He's definitely won me over with his play the last couple games. In a way, he reminds me of Billups.

If BC opts to move JO for Marion, I would be tempted to go with a starting 5 of Bargs, Bosh, Marion, Kap and Jose. The 2nd unit guards would be stronger than the current Ukic & Kapono combo if AP ran the point and Joey plays the 2 spot. That forces Moon to a backup role (which is good), however, the backup bigs would be downright miserable with only Hump and Jake available.

This may seem insane..but...

I think if we do make a trade for marion we could make the playoffs and go on a tear...this team is seriously only one or two pieces away from being great, and i think a player like marion could be that difference... i feel if we do get marion we could easily go on a 20 - 5 record over a 25 game period and put us at 500... i really do believe that.... mark my words, IF we make that trade... i garuntee we make it... in fact im open to bets, 50 bucks, wateva.. and i hold my work, any takers?

1. When was the last time a RAP almost had a triple double? AP is hitting J.Kidd type numbers!

2. I think we should sign Bobcat Goldthwaite for the league minimum to start at SF...

I figure future game day previews for this year should not focus on three keys to victory but three likely paths to defeat. At least we have two pieces that could contribute to a perennial contender in Bargs and Bosh (contingent on locking in Bosh -- btw, with the economy the way it is and the window to maximize earnings for pro athletes so short, why would Bosh leave what some say is as much as 30 million on the table to go somewhere else?) Secondly, AP has been a revelation and may really contribute to next year's bench depth as a backup 2 and 3rd option at the 1 (projecting that Roko improves immensely next year) if he can be retained for the right price. Basically bench depth might not be as big an issue if we can upgrade at the problem spots and just shift the starters from those problem spots down a rung in the hierarchy (with Joey taking the place of Moon). Humphries, Kapono, Moon are pieces whose resources could be better used elsewhere, even if the first two are flipped for picks and the latter's money is used to buy a pick, it might prove a better avenue to acquiring better talent. Of course I'm assuming a JO move initiates this process of improvement

We are slipping out of playoff picture. Look at the teams in front of us! A lot of things will have to go right for us to squeek in.

Yes, injuries have contributed but we are in second to last place in the East.

I have mixed feelings about Sam's firing. Would our record be better with him at the helm. The answer is probably yes. On the other side, Sam was not the right coach for Bargnani and Bargnani's developement is still one of our keys to future success.

I find myself no longer going out of my way to catch the games.

On one hand I respect the fact that Bosh is now being more assertive and getting on his teammates and making them accountable for their missed assignments and mistakes however, on the other hand Bosh has to take some of the responsibility himself. How many times have we seen Bosh in late game situations receive the ball in the post only to then carelessly turn the ball over? And when he's not turning the ball over he's shooting an ill advised trey.

As the leader on the team he is setting a poor example to the others and although I'm a huge fan of Bosh's I'm starting to think that he may be part of the problem. If he is going to lay it on his teammates to be more accountable then he needs to start practising what he preaches.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm tired of saying "but we were so close. We only lost by a few points". It's the same story time and time again. The hole is too deep now - run or no run. A run will likely leave us on the buble looking in. Teams ahead of us and in the same class as us are all getting at least a "W" here and there. This years Raps team is like last years Bulls team. Yes, there's some talent, and yes they are better than their record, but no, we're not going to bounce back and make the playoffs.

Aside from offloading Jermaine, it's time to brush up on our draft pick and get ready for March Madness.

My frustration with Moon had started earlier in the game. On at least three occassions Moon had the ball on the break and treated it like a hand grenade. One time trying to force it to AB and another passing off to CB4 when in both cases he had the better lane to the basket.

Franchise maybe you are right that we are asking too much of some of these players. However they are getting an opportunity to prove themselves - and many a bench warmer would love that opportunity - and they are proving that they belong in the D-League.

I think that BC should go out of his way and start scouting at the local YMCAs here in the GTA. Seriously, he might as well at this point. Moon, Kapono, Solomon, Jawai. Even Hump-de-hump. I have played against guys better than these chumps. Talent wise, this group is worse than the team that BC took over back in 2005. If he were to leave today, I think that BC has actually left the Raptors in a worse situation than the one he took over. Honestly. And I believe that there's a strong argument to be made in that regard. You say that we are only 1 or 2 pieces away from competing for the Eastern Conf. championship. That's what was being said back in Charlie Villanueva's rookie year. Different year, same story.

Yikes - Hopefully Riley doesn't ready Dwyer:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Really-Riles-Jermaine-O-Neal-?urn=nba,135603

I think this team is a few pieces away, but we're talking BIG pieces. However as we've seen in the NBA, one or two players CAN make all the difference so the onus is now on Colangelo to find a way to get those missing parts.

And yes, time to really start paying attention to the draft, although I've probably seen 40 college games already this month. It's unreal that Toronto right now has the sixth-worst record in the league and a legit shot at a top 3 pick if things were to end today.

Of course they're not...the team still has to play Detroit, Milwaukee, New Jersey and Chicago this month - all teams they've already lost to.

Tinman, please don't bring Sam up again. Especially considering that Triano has this team at least playing more competitive basketball. They have lost many close games, but more importantly he has found ways of using Bargnani and Graham. Sam did not/ would not. Please give credit where it is due. I hated watching our Sam led team lose, but I can deal much better when our team is barely losing with key pieces out of the lineup and 2 third string point guards running the show.

Thank you franchise for making the statement I was trying to make yesterday. Don't hate the player hate the dude who put them on the floor with prominate roles. No one forced BC to bring over 2 unproven backups for Calderon (a guy who has never played a complete season in his short career. No one forced BC to keep the same tired swing players without bringing in someone else who at least had a chance to develop.
As for the hating on Hump and Jawai, it is simply ridiculous. Jawai may never play in the NBA but this one move I do not blame BC for making as the players who the Raptors should have taken were gone and a 2nd round pick used for a prospect is not a complete waste. As for Hump, he is still better than Arrujo and does add things to the Raptors when he is healthy (which he has not been of late).

And for those suggesting that this team is worse than when BC took over, think again! If you look at the average NBA experience on our team, it's about 5 years. You take away JO, and Anthony Parker's age (because he too has limited NBA years experience, but is up there in age) and you have a very young core group of players. This is why the sky really isn't falling. If they could unload JO for Marion's expiring (I too am not thrilled that Banks is involved in the deal), and you have the pieces there to build a solid core (as presently constructed and for the future). Now if we can only trade Kapono to a contender that believes he can open up the middle for them...

I personally see us in a similar position as Portland...assuming Bosh resigns and we are able to pick up some nice young complimentary pieces this offseason...just my two cents!

AGM
I specifically mentioned that Sam was not good for Bargnani's developement - please re-read.

Question - whats Triano's won-lost record so far.
Second question - would we have a better record today w/o the coaching change.

Assistant GM,
You honestly would consider us in the same situation as THE BLAZERS? Wow. I usually regard what you say with a lot of respect. But come on! Please elaborate as to why you think that the Raps even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as one of the brightest young franchises in professional sports... The main pieces that they have in place are actually working. We have 2 pretty good big men and an above-average pg that can't play a lick of d. Oh, and our franchise player has yet to show that he can take over the game in the clutch.

I did read the Bargnani comment, but it was important for me to restate it. Sam hindered their development and I am sure that with JO presently on the shelf, both Bargs and Joey would not have been playing this well (and confident) under Sam (leading to more doom and gloom than hope). Heck, if Sam was still coaching Moon would be playing 43 minutes and Joey would have gotten at least a few DNP's.

What does win/loss record have to do with the team actually looking like they finally have an identity and competitive spirit? Let's not forget last years Raptors team and the beginning of this season with Sam at the helm - outplayed and outcoached. With Triano under the helm, this team has more than just held their own. Did I mention the plays that have actually worked for us after a timeout. Again, I have always appreciated your enthusiasm and intelligence, and have agreed with you on many things. I am just asking to please put the Sam may have won us a few extra games to rest. I for one highly doubt that!

Flying J,

I am not directly comparing us to Portland (unless I was on crack). I sais that I could see us in a similar position if we added a few nice young complimentary pieces to our already young and up and coming core. That core being Bosh, Bargs, Jose, Ukic and yes Joey G. No. We are not close to having their talent level. I was talking about the overall direction!

AGM,
Fair enough. Sorry for misreading your comment. I would also have to say that I, too, agree with the fact that we are just a few pieces away from being in a similar situation. But Portland's GM tends to pull moves that seem savvy in retrospect whereas BC has ended up with egg in his face on multiple occasions already in his short tenure with the Raps. I just hope that we can find a taker for JO's contract at this point and find a few complimentary pieces this summer.

nice schedule coming up to start February that should secure a lottery spot for us for sure. Wouldn't have it any other way. This team need 2 good players a 3 and a back up 1 and we can get both from the draft. So heres to tanking it the rest of the way and save me from high blood pressure.....raps4life

More like fired GM...
Quit hating on Sam Bargs had ample opportunity under Sam and did nothing with it. Finally the light just went off in his head now he gets it.

If Sam would have lost these same games you'd be crucifying him. Now you're giving Jay credit for losing close games. Give me a break! Sam wasn’t the perfect coach (who is) but not nearly as bad as some of you people make him out to be.

Far as the Portland thing every losing team can say they a few pieces away.

Before comparing Triano to Sam, we should remember that Sam plaid with the full and healthy roster where Triano has yet to have such a chance

Another bad lost.
We really know how to turn over the basketball in crunch time.
When I saw Moon smile, I immediately thought of the Russian player against the Juniors who iced the puck. It's like he didn't even know he hurt his team. But Moon sure didn't hesitate to fire up that 3 bomb eh!? Down 1 with 30 seconds, you never shoot a 3 because that'a just stupid.

The Coaching.
Bargs and Bosh are playing better together, I'm not so worried about there chemistry, they seem to enjoy playing and do well. But Triano and the Assistants have to teach these guys to take care of the ball, Moon should be better coached? Also with 12.2 seconds left, everyone was just jackin the ball up, when they could have had a much better first and second chance.
Something that is bothering me, and I don't know if it's just this teams Defensive strategy, but they always leave that Hot open man at the 3 point line.
This team has to start playing smarter I.E. We all know Bosh is an intelligent guy, but he had a massive turnover off his leg coming out of a Time out.
That's when I realized that it isn't going to turn around this year.
But I'm hoping for a better 2009, BC must prove his worth.
What the hell is wrong with JO's knee anyway, I must have seen a dozen clips of when he twisted his knee the first time, and nothing this second time. He's a great player and does play great D and has good offense, So I think the Heat could be getting a great Team type guy in JO, but we really really really need a High Flying Wing!

I agree with Dubbz that Moon taking the ill-advised 3 pointer, mirrors Bosh's similar 3 pt attempts in previous games. You can see how the actions of the leader influence the rest of the players. As for Moon letting a player drive unhindered to the basket, yeah it's bad but we all see it over and over and over again with all of the players. Bargnani, Calderon, Bosh, Parker, Kopono - I can remember all kinds of plays where someone has gone any one of them like they weren't there. I'd rather see blocking fouls, at least there would be some show of defensive effort.

-Not sure why dudes are on bosh about not been clutch – hes a power forward! Ive seen duncan blow enough games to know that the main play in sa is give it to parker or manu and let them create. Bosh is a 80 percent freethrow shooter – thats clutch. Check to see how many allstar big men do that – im not sure any outside of yao and hes way less clutch. Raps fans dont know how good theyve got it with cb4. Dont blame him for not being able to create off the dribble – bc should have gotten him someone to help out in that department.

Tough game to lose to the Hawks, who were missing injured starters also.

Moon's trifecta mental meltdown was obvious to see, but consider he also had 5rbs,4stls, 2asts,only 1to, and 9 pts, a pretty good overall game for him, and not the reason for the loss.

Consider why the loss:

1-AP&Ukic @ PG had 9 turnovers (NINE) of total 14.
2-AS a team 2/18 3pt FG's.11%
3-25% and 13 pts in 3rd qtr.
4-BAD Joey @ starting SG, with 2rbs, 4pts, 4 fouls, 1 game & 1 day after the game of his career vs the Suns.

It's a MIRACLE they had a chance to win in the last few seconds.

The biggest problem right now is the loss of Calderon, even with the great play of AP the last 2 games, it also takes him away from the SG rotation.

"more like fired GM..."

...very clever!!!

taylor, please tell me what it is that Sam did to make him a good coach?

- So you are going to tell me that Jay had nothing to do with Bargs play as of late. In a post game interview after one of AB's poor performances, Jay discussed how he needed to devise a plan to better utilize Bargs' skillset. I guess that's just about when Bargs light magically just turned on! Sam gave ample opportunity for Moon to play to his potential. Even after numerous poor performances, Jamario was given significantly more playing time as a reward. Bargs and Joey on the other hand, would get the yank after one bad foul or a few missed shots. That is not utilizing your roster's strengths and that is not my definition of good coaching. Sam was a great motivator and was just what the team needed during it's growth spurt. His refusal to evolve with the team made him expendable.

And Flying J, I agree that Portland's GM is a genius. He swindled both the Bulls for Aldridge and the T-Wolves for Roy. BC on the other hand has made more than his share of questionable calls. Let's hope he remedies this soon.

Some great points here as usual.

I think it's really worth noting something Johnn 19 points out. Remember how the Raptors used to be known as a deadly 3-point shooting team the past few seasons? This year they've been mediocre at best.

When you think about it, that explains a lot of this team's struggles too. Without anyone from the wing who could create their own shot, the club was VERY dependant on the outside gunners to do damage. Well with Jose out, Kapono mired in an up and down season shooting-wise, poor long-range shooters like Jamario and CB4 taking more 3's, and Bargs taking less (remember, his offence early in his career was almost entirely predicated on long-range shooting), that's resulted in some pretty ugly offence at times.

Even though this club's defence and rebounding was always soft, the club could at least put points up on the board. This year they're having trouble doing even that.

Hmm...sounds like a future blog post...

I like parker at the one. when he's not expending all his energy defending elite 2 guards, his game is pretty good. only now teams are going to start scouting his ass all over the place and we'll see how he responds to that.

and I'm with franchise - not sure why people are killing moon. (even bosh.) he is what he is, and he wouldn't be starting or playing significant minutes on any other decent team. his only fault is not being good enough for his position. and that's on the GM.

I've officially switched to tank mode. watching games now is purely scientific. (it's much less draining, emotionally speaking.)

Tinman,

Have to agree with you. Showing a tue lack of basketball insight and knowledge, AGM and others like him were quick to blame Sam Mitchel for all that was wrong with the Raptors. Well what do ya know, Raps under Mitchel 8 and 9 - post Mitchel 8 and 18. As many of us are now realizing (as Franchise pointed out in his post) this team is defficient in many key areas. I'm glad they fired Mitchel. I'm glad because I don't have to listen to guys like Assistant GM scapegoat Mitchel for a team that is fundamentally flawed after every loss.

Assistant GM, I have two issues with your logic:

First, blaming Mitchel for hindering Bargani's development is nonsense. The reason he has finally turned the corner is he has been in the league a few years, dedicated himself to getting better over the summer and most importantly, got playing time. With no JO we had NO OTHER OPTIONS, allowing him time and freedom to play. Finally, as has been mentioned, the kid just finally got it.

Second, you said "What does win/loss record have to do with the team actually looking like they finally have an identity and competitive spirit?" This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. I watch the Raptors to watch them win. That's it, that's all. To try and tell me and other fans that things are better now, eventhough they are 8 and 18 is mind boggling. Did they really look like they had "competative spirit" in Indiana or against Chicago, or when loosing to Oklahoma?!?! Wins are all that count in this league. And I'm not putting this on Jay Triano. I like Jay and I believe he's doing the best with what he's got. My point is, Colangelo has made some errors in judgement and at the same time raised our expectations. He then tried to dodge the flack by firing Sam (which I'm sure satisfied people that couldn't guage the talent level on this team) and now where are we?

MAS,so what you are saying is that a few players got hurt,and Bargs received more playing time,and a switch went off...great logic !!!!I truly feel that Smitch probably intimidated the shit out of the kidd,not talking to him for 2 weeks to show him tough love?.
I would be the first to say that Bargs isn't the next coming of (place name) and the same goes for Joey,but you have to admit these 2 guys are playing like dif.players.Every player is different,and reacts differently to various methods of motivation. Dallas's replaced coach Avery Johnson,remember the screamer,yup he knew his stuff,how did that work for him ?

Just want to clarify my stance.

1)I always supported Mitchell but will admit that he was not gonna bring us to that next level level. This coaching change will benefit the Raptors in the long run. Play of Bargs and Graham support this theory.

2)I like what I see from Triano and wish him all the success in the world. I personally hope he is back. That being said he is a lame duck coach. Raptors would have to play 700-750 ball the rest of the way for him to remain next season. Colangelo reputation is at stake and I think he will go with a proven coach.

3)It is a shame that Jose has been hurt for most of Triano's tenure. His record would not be 8-18 with Calderon in line-up - but unfortunately that's the breaks.

4)Lastly this site always has the best discussions going.

Bottom lines is BC has to take some blame. Regardless of who the coach is they're forced to play Moon and Joey cuz they have nothing better on the roster.

Can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh..

Bosh does kinda have to will HIS team to win one of these games right. Looking forward to seeing Jermaine off the bench tomorrow, see if that helps us.

d279,

If what you are saying is true, and Bargs was not playing well due to the fact that he was "intimidated" by Smitch... Well that says a lot more about Bargs than it does about Smitch.

Mas,I dont like to write short stories here,but its obvious the kid is working harder for a coach with a different delivery method...obviously playing the 3,4,or 5 spot sure the hell didn't help.

Mas
Bargs is almost 20/10 these last ten games.
Was Bargs even close to that consistency ,under Smitch.
Call it what you want Smitch had him for almost 3 years.

how did raptorshq get left off the TrueHoop network?

AGM..
What Sam did to make him a good coach?
Lead them to Atlantic division champs.
Coach of the year
Raps winning percentage better with him than without
And I guess he had nothing to do with Bosh or Jose development.
BC used Sam as a scapegoat.

Most of you like to use that generic term "he was out coach" whatever that means.
Unless you're in the huddles and know the plays he draws up how would you know? A coach can call the greatest play ever. If a player is a cement head (Moon sometimes Joey) and can't follow instructions, don't execute the first thing people say when a play fails is he was out coached.

Don't take me wrong AGM it’s all good, we all want the best of our Raps

Dont know if this really means anything guys...but if u read this chat log, the reported talked to the raptors and apparently raptors are not going to trade jermaine at all this season ... out of the question.... I HOPE NOT

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT_TOPICS_ID=123

taylor,

I don't disagree with you about the play calling, but the problem is that the Raps seemed to be running the same play over and over again under Sam. In numerous posts I mentioned that I wnated Sam to be successful, but he refused to become a student of the game and try to better himself as an overall coach. In a coaching battle Sam was usually on the wrong end of that exchange. As for Jose's developmnet, I think that winning the World championship as the starting 1 for Spain in the summer of 2007 had a lot to do with that. I have nothing against Sam the person. I was actually very sad when he was officially fired, but I knew that he wasn't the guy to take them to the next level. The COY was great for Sam and I hoped he would use that for motivation to better himself as a coach. Unfortunately, the team seemed to have the same identity as it did in each year of his tenure. No one seemed to know what that identity was, including Doug Smith (who was the ultimate Sam apologist.) I too love this site and the wonderful insight you all bring to the table. Am I happy with the team losing? Of course not. But, I see a team with a few nice pieces starting to jell a bit. Throughout this process, we have seen the rebirth of both Bargs and Joey to some degree.

As for you MAS, I am not even going to bother. I have stated time and time again why Sam wasn't the coach for this team. I don't need to restate my position. If trying to see the positives in a season where things haven't gone our way is the most ridiculous thing you ever heard, then you need to get out of the house more. We all live to watch the Raptors win, but lets not forget how many teams there are in this league, and how many teams inevitably win it in the end. We are going to see more losing than winning I'm afraid, but hey I should probably just follow your logic and hope that we go 82-0 next season and finish this season off undefeated. Bargs development is crucial for this team taking the next step. We are all enjoying the fruits of that. I believe this is a time for optimism. Joey has been playing pretty decent basketball of late. Again, I believe this is a time for optimism. But I guess that just makes me weird! BC has made some mistakes. I am now awating for him to rectify those mistakes. I really have nothing more to say!

why dont we trade calderon and JO....ap can play the point very well and he can guard way better than calderon, also ap's production goes up when he doesnt have to face the toughest assignment on defence every night, so for jo and calderon we could get a star sf or sg and some very good perimeter defenders...just a thought, but no seriously though i think ap is much more of an asset to the team when he doesnt have to guard that much and he can use his offensive skill set, if he is being used for his defense i think he's being misused

FromLongRange,
I agree 100%. Bosh is a very good player but not a wing. He is great because he can create off the dribble like few big men, but when it is obvious that he is going to do so, he gets doubled by a big and a quick.
Moon jacked an ill-advised three. If he had made it, we'd be talking about the size of his eggs and how great he was. If Manu misses that shot, it was a good risk, Moon, a stupid play. Yes, he is not the smartest guy on the court, but the problem is that he is on the court in crunch time b/c he's the only guy who can, sometimes, defend and he can do some rebounding. He probably should not be out in that situation, but we have nothing better on the bench. For 700 thousand, he's an NBA steal! No complaints here.By the way, hasn't Kapono been choking on late game open 3's in a lotof games lately? Where's the complaining about him? At least Moon can get you a clutch board or 2. You want Marion? Wait until you see how many badly missed 3's that guy chucks - and all for about 20 times the salary Moon makes.

One last point. I never disagreed that this roster is flawed. Everyone on this site knows how badly we lack a 3 who can get to the rim and create his own shot. My point was simply that the Raps tuned Sam out and stopped playing competitive basketball since about last February. Sam simply lacked creativity on offense and an identity on defense. Jay has the same battle with the same roster, but you can actually see the team playing a style of basketball. When Jay took over, JO even commented that Jay's system is more of what he was used to doing in the past, and that he liked what he was seeing. Both JO and Bosh (along with others) stressed that people need to give them time to learn the new system. Defensively they have improved. I hate the fact that we are losing close games, but for the most part we have been competitive (save for a few games here and there).

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