No Luck in Vegas So Far…
The picture was grainy, the sound quality wasn’t great, and I was watching it on my old PC’s 17 inch screen…hardly HDTV.
But there it was, Vegas Summer League.
Last night after work I watched Toronto drop a 90 to 79 decision to a vastly superior Denver Nuggets team, putting their record at two losses to go with zero wins.
Denver lead almost from the outset and while Toronto’s defence managed to keep things close at times, the Nuggets simply had too much firepower on the night.
So what can we take from the game? Well, for starters, I’m going to be blunt; the Raptors entry this year may not win a game in Vegas.
The team can’t score, can’t shoot from long-range, and Joey Graham is far and away the best player.
Yep, when Joey Graham is your best player, you might be in trouble.
That’s not to say that Joey hasn’t played well through the first two games. He scored 16 points and grabbed seven boards in 30 minutes of action, and hit almost 50 per cent of his shots from the field. Watching the action, you can clearly see that Joey stands out above the rest of the field. He’s stronger, quicker, and more athletic than nearly everyone else on the court.
The problem is, I expected that.
What I was hoping to see was not just that Joey could score and defend against rookies and fringe NBAers, but that he’d improved in those areas which frustrated us as fans over and over the past few years.
Unfortunately the verdict so far isn’t promising.
Graham still is foul-prone (he racked up seven yesterday), fails to recognize game situations (missing box-outs and assignments), and just botches plays that make you want to pull your hair out (elevating over everyone in traffic for a put-back dunk, only to bang the ball off the back of the rim.)
It’s even more frustrating when you consider how huge Graham could potentially be for this club next year. Someone of Graham’s athletic ability, strength and size would be a huge asset considering the club might be a bit thin at the 2-3 spots. However I just haven’t seen that he’s been able to put it all together. Graham’s shot looks a little more consistent, and he has no trouble beating his man on most occasions, but once again it’s the little things that he fails to take care of.
And after Graham, it was all downhill yesterday.
Only CJ Giles, Desmon Farmer and Jaycee Carroll showed me anything and none were exactly stars on the court. Giles had some nice post-work from time-to-time, Farmer was probably the best perimeter defender Toronto had, and while Carroll didn’t exactly have the best shooting day, you could see his talent shine through. Interestingly, Toronto played Carroll at point guard today and Daniel Ewing got the DNP. While Carroll failed to record an assist, he looked ok running the show, but wasn’t as good as Lucas.
However the more I see Lucas, the more I worry about him being an option for Toronto as a third-stringer. He’s an abysmal shooter, is already quite undersized, and as one of our readers pointed out, he doesn’t stray far from his right hand. That’s not to say he doesn’t have great point guard instincts and is a tough competitor, but I just think that Toronto would be better served looking elsewhere for help at the 1.
The rest of this team? Well four minutes of Joel Bosh was more than enough for me. Jawai for someone his size was nearly invisible on the court. And let’s not even get into Hassan Adams. Adams hasn’t been able to hold a candle to Joey Graham offensively and for now I think we should all ease off the "Adams will be taking Anthony Parker’s starting job" mantra for a while.
Yes it’s only Summer League, but looking around at some of the other teams, Toronto just doesn’t have the same talent as many other clubs. Partly this is due to the fact that they actually had a decent team last year, whereas the best Summer League clubs are usually the ones chock full of lottery or first round picks. Even the Nuggets starting five of Bobby Jones, Mike Hall, Dahntay Jones, Elton Brown and Taurean Green are all good enough to play in the NBA, even as 10th men.
Really though, the purpose of this league is to get some run in for certain rookies, and audition any possible talent to fill out final roster spots. For Toronto, that means lots more of Joey Graham, Hassan Adams and Nathan Jawai. Hopefully it also means more of Rod Benson, who received his second DNP yesterday, as well as Sean Banks, a player I don’t think we’ve seen enough of.
Toronto plays next on Thursday and hallelujah it appears to be on RaptorsTV.
Hopefully the improved quality of footage will trickle down and result in some improved quality of play as well.
FRANCHISE
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Isn't Jawai still out with a groin strain? I hope he gets a chance for some extended minutes. I don't expect much from him because he's definitely a project but projects need minutes.
Anyone got any info on what's up with him. And we've got to figure out a better nickname than Aussie Shaq for the guy. That's a hell of a comparison for someone coming from half-way around the world to a whole new level of basketball to carry around. I vote for the Beast from Bamaga.
by Sam on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Is it me or is the summer league too short to get much out of the games there? i would think that if they played twice as many games we might get a better picture out of the player's performances.
Does anyone know what the NBA has planned in regards to the d league? It is my understanding that they want to get each team their own d league team eventually but I am wondering how they are going to work that as teams only get 2 draft picks per year (I believe when the NBA reduced the draft to two rounds it was because there was no where to place the additional players) which isn't enought to field an entire team of minor leaguers. I would hope they would add rounds to the draft in order to give teams a chance to fill out their dleague squads. Does anyone have any idea if this is the case?
by McGateway on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Something is definitely still wrong with Jawai. He didn't attempt to go up for a single board last night. He obviously did everything in his power not to get up off the floor. I will reserve judgment on him until I can properly assess his game.
I actually didn't think that Joey played that poorly. Yes he is playing against fringe NBAers, but I thought he was doing a lot of things right offensively. Yes he had a brain cramp or two, but you can see that he was trying to put his mark on the game with his aggressiveness. Defensively, he wasn't half bad either. Remember, summer league can be tough to gauge a player’s overall performance based on the numerous touch foul calls that are being made/called. Players are far more aggressive than in a regular NBA game.
In conclusion, I believe that Joey needs to regain his confidence and requires a more defined role, something that he only had for a small stretch two seasons ago (where he played pretty well). I don't view Joey in the same light as other fourth year players. He was always on a short leash and never allowed to play through his mistakes. When a coach gets inside a players head, it can become very difficult to perform. You start thinking and trying to do too much. I would have liked to see Rod Benson play some. Here's hoping he makes his debut Thursday night.
by Assistant GM on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Benson didn't play again? I thought he was a player that both Phoenix and TO wanted to assess in this summer league.
Did Jawai do anything?
by sharpy on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
On the NBA's summerleague site, they have all the rosters, stats etc. and Jawai isn't listed anywhere. Are you sure he played last night? Why aren't his stats (even just minutes played) listed anywhere? It seems like he may have been a mirage last night.
by Aaron on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Yep, he played last night. He was a last minute addition so the NBA.com info hasn't been updated yet. On Doug Smith's blog this morning he mentions Jawai having a certain smoothness based on his play yesterday...although I'm pretty sure you had to be there in person to determine that. He was completely a non-factor and considering that he won't likely get much time this year behind Hump, it would be nice to see him get a good run in over the next three games...
...which brings me to your point McGateway. I agree, five games is nothing in the grand scheme of things and while it may give you a good idea of who CAN'T play, it provides less of a solid idea of who CAN.
As for D League plans, yes, I think the idea is for each team to have their own squad eventually but right now only a handful (LA, San Antonio for example) have that system in place.
PS - Tough loss for Team Canada this morning. Forgot to set my alarm to watch it so hopefully I can catch it on a replay. Sounds like they struggled in the half-court which isn't very surprising. They could really use a good dose of Steve Nash. Let's hope they win tomorrow morning...
by Franchise on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Franchise,
They are replaying the Canada game tonight at 9:00 on the Score. My daughter had me up at 7:00 so I did catch half of the game, but I really wish I hadn't. They looked bored out there. No one was moving around and they looked MUCH slower than the Slovenian squad. If they don't increase their intensity and make better decisions with the ball against Korea, tomorrow morning will be the last we see of these guys for a while.
It was nice to see Rasho playing though.
One thing that I did want to say about Jawai yesterday is that he really is quick for his size. On numerous occasions he would provide pressure on the point guard bringing the ball up and was still able to make it back to cover his player in the post. He is also very difficult to move. Again, I believe that his groin hindered him from playing anywhere near 100% (I say this because he is supposed to be a beast attacking the boards and yesterday he looked more like a squirrel at times).
by Assistant GM on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
The thing to remember about Jawai is that the level of play in Australia is not very high. There's probably more speed, talent and size on the summer league teams than he's used to. I sure the groin injury didn't help either. Let's at least wait until the end of summer league before making any judgements.
by Sorael on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I caught a bit of Jawai on the replay of last night's summer league classic. I think AGM makes good points and I can see him being a fairly adept pick-and-roll big man, assuming he develops a decent mid-range game. While its all untapped potential at the moment between what I saw and what I read I can see him becoming Desagnana (spelling?) Diop with a more developed offensive game. We won't know for at least a year if he can realize that potential but for minimal contract, he strikes me as well worth the risk.
Presumably Herbert's been brought in with Jawai in mind, as well as Bargs. Can't criticize BC on those 2 moves.
And I repeat, gotta change the guy's nickname as soon as possible.
by Sam on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Thursday's game isn't being shown on Raps TV until Friday.
by Phonechecka on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Vegas Sightings (from Hoopsworld)
A couple of notable free agents are around, and HOOPSWORLD has a chance to visit with Kelenna Azubuike and JR Smith. Azubuike was in the middle of a fantastic workout at Impact Basketball as the Raptors' brass walked in hoping to see Jermaine O'Neal. They can't afford him, but they were impressed by what they saw.
He was our guy, we should have done whatever he had to do to sign him. He should of been our starting 3 this year.. We (including Franchise) were right all along. Young and athletic, would have been a great addition to our core.. I will trade for him in NBA2K9..lol
Hassan and Joey suck, they should not see the floor this year, NOT IMPRESSED AT ALL.. Joey's option and hassan's contract together, might have gotten us AZibuke..
by Coach C on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Off topic , just in case you missed it here is a nice write up about J.O. from a Indy Writer
quote from the writer
"I'll make this prediction: O'Neal will be an All-Star in 2008-09"
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080711/SPORTS15/807110418/1062/SPORTS04
by JOHN on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Here is a name JaJuan Smith from Tennessee.. PLaying on the mavs summer league team.. he has played well.. maybe he could be a 3rd pg
by Coach C on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Great Blog and comments section: Doug Smith says the raps would be ok with Carlos accepting their qualifying offer of $2.744 mil. which could mean they have this amount budgeted under the tax. that would open up the options available as free agency unfolds.
by jimbo on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Phonechecka...ouch, that sucks. Thanks for the update though, I guess I assumed because it was noted as "NBA TV" that it would be shown live. Perhaps not.
AGM - Watching the game right now, Sammy D interview. I see what you're saying though about the Cdns, they just look flat.
John - Read the piece this morning and was going to post it over the next few days, great read isn't it?
Coach C - Like Jajuan, but he's no point guard in the NBA. Watched a lot of him at Tenn last year along with the other "Smith's" and he's really an undersized 2. Lofton manned the 1 for the Vols and Jajuan played off the ball 90 per cent of the time.
...oh...and no more on Azubuike. That makes me want to cry.
PS - These commentators are terrible...ALEX ENGLISH, it's CARL!
by Franchise on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Clippers acquire Nuggets' Camby for optional second-round draft pick
Seems cheep to Me!
by Davl on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Camby for nothing! That must hurt a lot of teams to see that. If we could have done that, we'd have another 10 million to look for a scoring wing player and have a flawless starting five.
Well, I'm happy with Jermaine, but the right to switch a second round draft pick! Was there no team that would give up a future first rounder for the best defensive player in the league?
by EaseMyPain on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
A guess.
If Camby lands with the Clippers, he's then part of a deal that moves him to the Knicks with Randolph going to the Clips.
by EaseMyPain on Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
"The Los Angeles Clippers today acquired forward Marcus Camby from the Denver Nuggets. In return, Denver will have the option to exchange second round picks with the Clippers in 2010."
This article says nothing about the Knicks. No. Way.
This is crap. How the *&*&^( do the Clippers get this, giving up NOTHING?? Sh*t. This is bullsh*t.
KG to Boston. Gasol to LA. Camby to LA. Something stinks here. They lose Brand, but get one of the best d-specialists in the league for NOTHING?
Owner collusion?
by gerry on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
and ya, BTW, I am angry. This does screw the Raps, who never seem to be on the right side of a deal.
Think Vince. Think Bargs (crap draft year). Think Mourning (10 million bucks to play for a championship).
Yech. I am not happy.
by gerry on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Nuggets needed a salary dump.
Nobody else could have done this trade except the Clips because of their cap room.
Usually salaries have to match to make the trade work.
Denver would not have wanted Rasho or TJ....they want to dump salary.
by ddog on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Wow, that Camby trade is a joke. I feel your pain gerry, we never seem to get the gifts that other franchises have got, right from the beginning when we weren't allowed to win the lotto. Camby is a great asset, terrific defensive player and a pretty decent contract. I don't know if he looks good beside Bosh, 2 bean poles, but for a 2nd round pick?!?
I love the Raps and think we are improving, have good leadership, etc. But you have to be lucky to win it all and we just don't seem to have the same luck that some big arket teams get - crap like this is what starts the conspiracy theories.
by Robert Archibald on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Hey,we can always trade a Chuck Swirsky bobblehead...How do these teams do it.Dont get me wrong I like JO but our 17th,Rasho,TJ and Bastien...hang on Camby for what?Are we asleep or is it that nobody wants to deal with BC because they may think they are getting screwed !!!
by d279 on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I am STUNNED!!!!! I just watched one of the greatest comebacks in Canada Basketball history!
I'm glad I waited until the end of the game to post a comment. After the first half I wanted to rip someone's head off. For those who didn't see the game, Dalembert pulled a suck attack in the first half and literally walked out on the team. I wonder what he is thinking now...God I'm giddy!
by Assistant GM on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
"For those who didn't see the game, Dalembert pulled a suck attack in the first half and literally walked out on the team."
This is why you should never read a RealGM board. I tuned into the game near the end of the first quarter and was trying to figure out where Dalembert was. I started to surf the net and couldn't find anything. I went onto the RealGM board and someone had commented that Sam left the game after an argument with Leo in the first quarter. According to Doug Smith's article a few minutes ago, he claims that Dalembert wasn't even on the bench today. Who to believe...can someone clarify this?
by Assistant GM on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
From Grange:
"Samuel Dalembert didn't show up at all. The rest of the Canadian national team showed up for only half of their game against Korea, but it was enough, just barely and so very dramatically."
"While Dalembert's absence was unexplained -- speculation was that he'd had a falling out with the national team coaching staff -- Canada was able to overcome it and their own dismal first half performance when it seemed certain they were going to leave Athens with an 0-2 record and dashed dreams of Olympic glory."
by Assistant GM on Jul 16, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

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