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Devon Hardin comes to Toronto today to put in some work...

Devon Hardin comes to Toronto today to put in some work...

I recently switched jobs and one of my first lines of business was a trip to Seattle and San Fran to meet prospective clients and do some networking. It sure sounded great when I first was informed of it about a month ago...that was until late last week when I saw the batch of workouts I’d be missing while I was away.

Oh to be a Raptors fan right?

As much as missing yesterday’s workout was a tough pill to swallow because of Lopez and Thompson, today’s is really going to cut deep. I don’t think I need to go into too much detail about my affection for three of today’s prospects, Walker and CDR in particular so let’s get right down to business for workout batch number three.

ALEXIS AJINCA
Who is he?
7-1 Power Forward/Center from France.

Last Year: Played for Hyeres-Toulon in France.

What Can He Do? Ajinca has been on scouts’ radars for a while however I personally have never seen him play. He’s been compared to LaMarcus Aldridge because of his size, length, athletic ability and soft touch, and is an excellent shot blocker. He’s very raw however and is rail thin for the projected positions he’ll play at the next level.

Ajinca has also had little professional basketball experience to this point and has earned few minutes in Europe’s top leagues. This probably has more to do with his age (20) than his skill-set however and might be worth a pick hoping he develops down the road. Big men with his raw abilities and quickness just don’t grow on trees.

The Bottom Line: While Toronto could use some shot-blocking help, I’m not sure Ajinca is the answer at this stage of the game, and certainly not at 17. He’s much too raw and is probably a good two years away from even being able to contribute at the NBA level if at all. However I’m really glad the Raps have brought him in for a look as down the road, he might be a nice piece of the puzzle, and perhaps another option to stash overseas if he falls into the second round.

CHRIS DOUGLAS-ROBERTS
Who is he?
6-6 Junior guard/forward from Memphis.

Last Year: Averaged 18.1 points and 4.1 rebounds for the Tigers while hitting over 50 per cent of his shots from the field.

What Can He Do? I’m not sure how much more I can drone on about my affinity for CDR. He was one of the smoothest players in all of college ball last year, can score with the best of them, can create his own shot, and can get to the rim with an uncanny series of jukes and head fakes.

Yep...just what the doctor ordered for the Raptors right? Well, I won’t let my fondness for his game cloud my judgement as there is a reason he hasn’t been ranked much higher on mock drafts than the early 20’s. He’s not an elite athlete, has a Shawn Marionesque looking shot, and as a rail-thin slasher, may have trouble at the next level finishing and absorbing contact.

The Bottom Line: That being said, if you watched CDR this season you saw a player who is probably underrated in the eyes of most scouts and GM’s. He’s not going to blow you away with his first step or ability to shoot the rock. And he’s definitely not much of a creator for his teammates. However he just gets the job done and with his excellent ball-handling skills, should translate nicely as a scoring wing at the next level. The NBA still features a tremendous amount of one-on-one play and CDR, while no Kobe, can take just about anyone off the bounce. Add in the fact that his length and lateral quickness makes him a tough defender (he averaged over a steal a game last year) and in my opinion you have a winning combination at 17. We’ll just have to see however if the Raptors agree come June 26.

DEVON HARDIN
Who is he?
6-11 Senior power forward/center from California.

Last Year: Averaged 9.3 points, 7.4 rebounds and 1.2 blocks for the Bears.

What Can He Do? Hardin is an anomaly for myself, and apparently for most scouts according to reports out of the recent pre-draft camp in Orlando. Here we have a player that has all the physical tools of a Darryl Dawkins (his combine numbers in Orlando were some of the best of this draft class) yet just doesn’t always seem to "get it."
It’s not that he has a poor attitude or work ethic (Hardin’s body fat measured out under six per cent at the pre-draft camp and he benched 185 pounds 20 times), but at times he seems to float on the court without any purpose.

It’s these same "getting it" issues that make scouts shake their heads over his disappointing numbers in his senior year at Cal, all down from his previous season with the exception of his field goal percentage. For a player who could have been drafted last year but opted to up his stock by returning for his senior year, things just didn’t quite work as planned.

The Bottom Line: Nevertheless, Hardin still makes a very interesting prospect. Like Ajinca, there just isn’t a surplus of big-men with his abilities, not to mention length (he has over a nine foot standing reach.) I’d love to see Toronto take a flyer on him if he falls into the second round. He has all the upside of a Nene with none of the weight, passion or health issues. However there’s a reason Hardin has also drawn a lot of comparisons to a slightly more nimble Erick Dampier; a player can have all the physical tools in the world but if they don’t get it, then it really doesn’t matter does it? Besides, Toronto has a living example of this on their bench right now in Joey Graham.

MIKAL RILEY
Who is he?
6-6 Senior guard from Alabama.

Last Year: Averaged 14.9 points, and 5.2 rebounds for the Crimson Tide.

What Can He Do? Riley is a player I know very little about. He sat out his first few years at Alabama but turned in solid junior and senior seasons for the Tide. He’s not a player on many scouts’ radars but did show some NBA skill last year in the SEC.

The problem is that Riley is only 185 pounds at 6-6 and will need to put on some serious size and strength to compete at the NBA level.

The Bottom Line: Riley was a member of a talented but underperforming Crimson Tide team that also featured 2008 draft prospects Richard Hendrix and Alonzo Gee. Both Hendrix and Gee have kept their profiles up however while Riley has flown a lot closer to the ground. He’s a fantastic shooter however (he made 43 per cent from 3) and could find himself a nice niche as a gunner with a team. I just can’t see right now it being with the Raptors.

BRANDON RUSH
Who is he?
6-6 Junior guard from Kansas.

Last Year: Averaged 13.3 points, 5.1 rebounds and 2.1 assists for the Jayhawks.

What Can He Do? Rush is a jack of all trades guard who helped lead his Jayhawks to last year’s National Title in D1. Rush almost declared a year ago but after hurting his ACL in pre-draft preparations he decided to return to school. It seemed like a wise choice but it’s only his recent play in workouts and his Final Four run that really solidified this viewpoint. From a statistical standpoint he actually played fewer minutes than in his sophomore season, scored slightly less and shot a poorer percentage from the field and beyond the arc.

However Rush looks like another David West type in this year’s draft. Not so much in terms of position or skill-set, but a player with an excellent college resume who gets overlooked because he lacks "upside" in many people’s minds. I think that Rush will be a solid addition to any team and while not a star, and important contributor.

The Bottom Line: Having said all of that, the player Rush reminds me of the most is still Morris Peterson. Both won national titles and were overlooked in the draft. Both were good but not great athletes and suffered at times with their aggressiveness attacking the rim. Both were exceptional defenders in college and great long range shooters. And both I think will have similar career paths in the league. So does Toronto grab Rush at 17? I’d personally rather have Douglas-Roberts because of his scoring or Bill Walker (our next prospect) because of his athleticism and grit. But Toronto could do far worse and it will be very interesting to hear how Rush performs against these other two. After all, Rush may not even be on the board at 17 when Toronto selects. Rumour has it that Phoenix is a big fan and they pick two spots before the Raptors.

Is Rush Mo Pete part II??

Is Rush Mo Pete part II??

BILL WALKER
Who is he?
6-6 Freshman forward from Kansas State.

Last Year: Averaged 16.1 points, 6.3 rebounds, and shot 46.5 per cent from the field for the Wildcats.

What Can He Do? At one point in time, Walker could do anything. He was in fact compared to (gasp) Vince Carter due to his incredible ups and ability to get to the rim. However as most now know, Walker ruptured his ACL in January 2007 and his draft stock fell like his last name was Chiriaev.

However Walker bounced back quite nicely this past year. He and freshman phenom Michael Beasley rejuvinated Kansas State’s basketball program and Walker developed other parts of his game to compensate for his lack of explosion. Instead of playing the 2-3, Walker played the 3-4 and added a great amount of muscle to help him bang in the post with taller 4’s. He still possessed great moves off the bounce so therefore could be deadly from both outside and now in, using his newly minted post-game.

However even after a solid season and successful rehab process, scouts were still mixed about Billy. This was mainly because of concerns regarding his level of maturity. Numerous times last year Walker would get himself into foul trouble thereby hurting his team because of stupid retaliatory fouls. And at other times when he wasn’t getting the ball or his shots weren’t falling, Walker would get moody and sulk, thereby costing his team at the defensive end.

The Bottom Line: I’d like to see Toronto take Walker at 17, but I’m just not sure yet that the fit would be the best for all parties. Walker looks great by all accounts in offseason workouts (he’s dropped an amazing 25 pounds since the end of the season) and probably has the most upside of any swingman at this point in the draft...but I worry about his attitude. If he rarely plays in his first season, will he sulk? Will he be a distraction off the court? In many ways he’s a bit like TJ Ford, uber competitive and a player who plays with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. The Raptors could use a bit of a chip at times, but we’ve seen first-hand how if not given the proper outlets, that chip can quickly turn into an anvil.

Conclusion: From a selfish standpoint, I hope tomorrow’s workout, especially between the wing players, is a wash. Therefore at some point in the next few weeks, perhaps BC will need to bring all three back in for another go round, this time with me back in Toronto. We’ve seen the Raptors do that in the past so perhaps if they have their eye on one of these three, we’ll see repeat visits.

I still have CDR at the top of my list, slightly ahead of Walker and Rush, but I’m not fooling myself into thinking any of these three are the immediate answer for Toronto at the 3-spot. What I am thinking though is that if I were BC and all three of these wings were available at 17, I’d have some long deliberations.

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I like Rush because of his all round game (better than just another shooter), but I like CDR and Walker based on their potential.

I would like Walker just for the dunks and getting the raptors back on the map again (unless Moon can step it up and drive to the hoop more often)

by Scott on Jun 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

WALKER IS A INTRESTING PICK, BUT I AM A LITTLE LESS INTRESTED IN RUSH, CDR, HARDIN AND THE OTHER PEOPLE FROM TODAYS WORKOUT, THE PLAYERS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ARE NICOLAS BATUM, DANTE GREEN,AND CHASE BUDINGER. ESPECIALLY BATUM AND GREEN, I THINK THESE 2 GUYS ARE BURSTING WITH POTENTIAL AND ARE READY TO MAKE THE LEAP, IN THE CASE OF BATUM YOU CAN GIVE HIM A LOOK NOW AND STACH HIM OVERSEA'S SO THAT HE CAN MATURE...

LATER....BIG C

by BIG C on Jun 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I really don't have a grip on NCAA talent, or anything outside of the NBA to be honest. However, you are getting me excited about the idea of Bill Walker. Comparable athleticism to VC!?! Knee injuries usually take an entire year to fully recover. If this dude has grit, like to bang in the post, boards and has learned some tricks since injury, he sounds like a good fit - good bye Travis Outlaw! He sounds really good and I love what I am hearing about Westbrook's defence too. Toronto badly needs some attitude. Best to get this through the draft, because of how it effects the rest of the team. What effect does Walker have on Moon, think he might drive a little more with a hot rookie behind him? What effect does it have on Joey's game? If you draft a player with attitude, he'll still know this is Bosh's team and not really challenge the good clubhouse we have, unlike a trade for an Artest/Evans type.

by Robert Archibald on Jun 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

BILL WALKER IS NASTY!!!

he has all the physical talents to be a good nba player and hes a slasher too something Toronto could use.

by Jomar on Jun 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Since the physical only invites (unofficial top 15)were released , a case can be made that the draft starts with Toronto.
You also have to factor in the omission of Danilo Gallinari, so that makes a top 16.

Walker seems to have the best raw physical tools, with injury issues (two past knee surgeries), subpar ballhandling skills, and the worst shooting of the three.

With CDR, the premium on shot creators (esp. on Raptors) is what makes him standout, esp in the mid first round.

With Rush, I think the athleticism combined with having most of the swingman skills down would put him ahead on paper.

My call:
I think Bill Walker's status among the swingmen is similar to Robin Lopez among the bigmen.

NBA ready bodies, can address Raptor needs right away, offensive skills are less refined then competition.

by yardly on Jun 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I realised by the end of last season that it isn't Moon's fault that he doesn't drive more. He doesn't drive because he can't dribble. Let's stop dreaming... Moon isn't suddently isn't going to turn on a mental switch and start driving like a madman. He simply doesn't have the ability. Let's wake up!

by observer on Jun 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Doesn't sound like there are any workouts tomorrow unfortunately so we'll have to gear up for next week.

I'm curious to see if Toronto brings in higher ranked players like Westbrook and Alexander. That would be a good indication of where they want to sit in the draft standings, and also might tip their hand in regards to TJ, someone who has the trade rumours swirling.

by Franchise on Jun 6, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Doesn't sound like there are any workouts tomorrow unfortunately so we'll have to gear up for next week.

I'm curious to see if Toronto brings in higher ranked players like Westbrook and Alexander. That would be a good indication of where they want to sit in the draft standings, and also might tip their hand in regards to TJ, someone who has the trade rumours swirling.

by Franchise on Jun 6, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone catch Bosh acting as a finals correspondent for the tonight show last night? Some pretty funny bits. Especially the Sasha Vulliachich (sp?) video. By the way I hate that guy… Can’t figure out why he’s in the NBA. Also, CB4 get’s kinda getting punked by Kobe, with a b!tch slap to the back of the neck. The way it was edited with the replays reminded me of the Rick James Vs. Charlie Murphy skit on the Chappell Show. Funny stuff.

Anyway, worth a look… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_MO_FYEf6M

by MAS on Jun 6, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

observer said:
"it isn't Moon's fault that he doesn't drive more. He doesn't drive because he can't dribble."
I agree with this. Though Toronto needs a slasher, I think realistically Moon needs to develop a consistent mid-to-long range jumper. That will open up some occasionally easy lanes that he could drive on one or two dribbles. Other points would be picked up through alley-oops and hopefully, we can figure out a way to use his rebounding ability to get some offensive rebounds in close. Does it help our offensive stagnation? No, not really, but it gives us more reason to keep him on the floor for his defense.
I simply think him learning to consistently knock in jumpers at a higher percentage is probably more likely for this six months of work than becoming a guy with good handles.

by Tim on Jun 6, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

MAS, I heard about the clip yesterday, but forgot to watch it live. Just caught it. I love the way Bosh doesn't take himself super serious off the court. Good laugh for sure. I think I laughed more than the fans in the Leno crowd. Probably related to familiarity with Bosh. Although the scripted live jokes to start the piece (about Hilary and Barkely) were rather poor, you know that it was Jay's writers that came up with that crap, and the rest of the piece was great. "Let the curse begin". Classic.

by Branden on Jun 6, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I like CDR and Rush. I watched them in the NCAA championship game and they both played great. Rush has a solid all-around game and should be a fringe starter/top rotation player in the NBA; Mo Pete is a good comparison.

However I think CDR has more upside: Slashing wing who can create his own shot and get to the charity stripe with frequency. Also a decent defender. He should be a solid starter in the NBA. Similiar to Anthony Parker but slashes to the basket more freqeuntly and not as good a 3-point shooter.

by kanahda ballz on Jun 6, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

,
All intriguing prospects that can come in and contribute to continued mediocrity. Trade up or trade away.

by EaseMyPain on Jun 6, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Tim & observer: Moon doesn't drive because Ds give him the wide open J from 18+ feet and pack the middle so he can't drive. They scouted him and are playing the odds. By extension than, if Moon develops a semi consistent J that forces D to go out there and cover him, the lanes will open up.

by ZoneD on Jun 6, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

ZoneD. Point taken. He's not a superb shooter either. But have you ever actually watched him dribble. He looks very uncomfortable and awkward to say the least.

I like Moon, and his story is inspiring. However the fast that he was a starter on the Rap's last season says more about the quality of our team, than his skills as a player.

by observer on Jun 7, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Just a thought:

Its no secret that the blazers (youngest team in the league) are trying to get older and want to compete for a playoff spot.

Rudy Fernendes who has allstar potential and was one of the best players outside of the nba (23 years old) will be joining them next year.

Perhaps the raptors send over some vets who have expiring contracts to the Blazers in exchange for Rudy who might not see as much time as some are expecting since he plays the same position as their best players Brandon Roy.

Perhaps we move:

TJ Ford (8 million)
Anthony Parker (4 million)
Rasho (8 million)

for

Jarrett Jack (3 million)
Rudy Fernendes (2 million)
Raef Lafrenz (12 million expiring)
Blazers 1st round pick

That way we still have the same amount in expiring contracts although our expiring contract will likely be tied to the bench. However we get a much higher 1st round pick, a back up pg and an amazing talent at the 2 guard for the future.

The blazers get productive experienced players who they can choose to keep or let go after the season and a starting pg

And i dont think it would hurt that Garbo, Jose, Rudy are all on the same team together.

by wtf on Jun 7, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

For everyone throwing out Blazer trade ideas, I really think that BC can make something work in that respect. A few weeks ago when I posted my plan to move Jose to Portland, I was assuming that TJ's trade value wouldn't get it done. But now from various rumours it sounds like he might be able to be moved so who knows. However the one point of contention might be Outlaw. It's funny how most readers on our site wanted no part of Outlaw and thought he was not the answer at the 3 for Toronto, whereas if you check the Blazers' blogs, most Portland fans won't move Outlaw even if he could be dealt for Jose straight up!

by Franchise on Jun 7, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that if you're Portland you don't trade Rudy Fernandez until you know exactly what you have as a player.

I think Portland is the low lottery team that's least attached to its pick. I can't see them having many "developmental" minutes to spare in their rotation with so many young players.

Franchise, I think when it comes to Outlaw, it's a case of Portland fans having suffered and waited(5 years!) for so long that they want to see the benefits of their patience. I can't see management having that sort of attachment.

A trend I like is making potential TJ trades multi-asset transactions.

Such as:

TJ Ford
Jamario Moon
Rasho
Baston + Joey
17th pick

For

Travis Outlaw
Jarret Jack
Joel Pryz
Raef LaFrentz
13th pick

by yardly on Jun 7, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

What rank do you think Moon would garner out of the current draft...(get a gauge on his worth).

If anybody got someone as good as Moon with a top 7 pick I'd say they'd be happy....makes you wonder about next year.

By the way, I'm really on the grind here waiting for my next credit card...and workin sporadically. Is it true that panhandlers can make $200 a day? Just kidding. I'll manage, but you'll see my sense of humour improve once I ain't po no mo.

by DayOner on Jun 7, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok Blazers.....Ford and Moon for Aldridge and Outlaw?

Or toss Bargnani's name in there.

by DayOner on Jun 7, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Adding Garbajosa or the Hump would probably make the trade work financially.

Perhaps have McRoberts come to us as well so that Portland only loses one roster spot in the big picture.

by yardly on Jun 7, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Good question on moon...I'd say he'd be a mid-range pick but not lotery. Maybe about where t.o. is drafting now. Hed be one of those raw talent guys.

by fromlongrange on Jun 7, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

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