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Workouts for June 4, 2008 - Some Big, Some Small

Robin Lopez tops the HQ's list for today's workout invites...

Robin Lopez tops the HQ's list for today's workout invites...

Today’s workouts showcase some varied positions for the Raptors but mostly examine the really big and the really small without much in between.


Let’s get right into them...

RYAN ANDERSON
Who is he?
6-10 Sophomore forward from California.

Last Year: Averaged 21.1 points and 9.9 rebounds for the Bears.

What Can He Do? Anderson was one of the best offensive players in the country last year. His Cal team underperformed, but with his size and perimeter shooting ability, Anderson emerged as a potential late first round pick as the season wore on. His shooting ability is definitely his best asset and last season he hit almost 50 per cent of his shots from the field, including over 40 per cent from beyond the arc.

The main knock on Anderson however is that he lacks the explosive agility or athletic skills of say a Joe Alexander, a very similar player in many respects. In the NBA, his size projects as a 3-4 however there are questions as to whether he can bang with the 4’s, and keep up with the 3’s.

The Bottom Line: Matt Bonner. Austin Croshere. Troy Murphy. Take your pick. Scouts have compared Anderson to all of the above and with his offensive repertoire, he should find a home late in the first round or early in the second this year.

But from a Toronto standpoint, I don’t think Anderson is a good fit as he duplicates many of the attributes of Andrea Bargnani. Really, I think Anderson was mainly brought in to match-up with the next prospect on our list, Kosta Koufos and will be earning his keep elsewhere next season.

KOSTA KOUFOS
Who is he?
7-foot Freshman center from Ohio State.

Last Year: Averaged 14.4 points and 6.7 rebounds for the Buckeye while blocking almost two shots a game.

What Can He Do? Koufos was supposed to be the next big thing at Ohio State with the departure of Greg Oden. He had a solid freshman campaign, but failed to tear up the NCAA as some expected.

He’s simply not a giant physical presence at this point in time despite his size. He’s more of a "big" in the Zydrunas Ilgauskas or Mehmet Okur mould, a sweet-shooting big man with a soft touch around the basket.

However despite his soft hands, he struggles to finish at the rim due to his lack of athletic ability and his lack of an NBA level physique. He’s just a freshman so will no doubt fill out, but Koufos is definitely still a project at this stage.

The Bottom Line: Just like Anderson, here’s another player I’ll take a pass on if I’m the Raps. Yes, stockwise he might seem like a nice option at 17 as he definitely has first round talent, but does Bryan Colangelo really want another big who avoids the paint? Koufos is no defensive force and after watching him fail to dominate smaller players at Ohio State last year, I still think he’d be best served returning to school for another season. It doesn’t look like he’s even considering that at this point though so perhaps he’ll make a great value pick for some team late in the first round. For Toronto though, this is one project I think they should stay away from.

ROBIN LOPEZ
Who is he?
7-foot Sophomore from Stanford.

Last Year: Averaged 10.2 points, 5.7 rebounds and 2.3 blocks for the Cardinals.

What Can He Do? Defend. Lopez is the best defensive big-man in the draft at this point in time. He may not have the upside or athleticism of some of the other bigs like DeAndre Jordan or JaVale MaGee, but Lopez looks like a player who could come into the NBA and help a team immeidately from a defensive standpoint.

He’s definitely not as polished offensively as his twin brother Brook, but seems to have that Joakim Noah/Anderson Varejao style of game. He’s an excellent rebounder and defender, a superb shot-blocker, and is a consistently active body in the paint.

The Bottom Line: Lopez marks the first player in workouts so far that I’d like to see the Raptors take a long, hard look at when they’re on the clock at 17. Lopez might not be the slashing 3 this team needs, but you could do much worse than drafting a Noah clone (with more focussed intensity in my opinion) as he provides many things that Toronto currently lacks. Tops on this list obviously is his energy and aggressiveness on the glass, an area we all know that Toronto has had issues with seemingly forever. Lopez however could easily be gone before the Raps pick if he excels in workouts. Teams love legit 7-footers who can contribute right away and Lopez looks to fit the bill.

DREW NEITZEL
Who is he?
6-foot Senior point guard from Michigan State.

Last Year: Averaged 13.9 points, and 4.0 assists while shooting almost 40 per cent from both the field and from 3 for the Spartans.

What Can He Do? Neitzel is a gunner, plain and simple. He’s played a point guardish role for the Spartans throughout his college career but he’s not exactly a floor general. And at 6 feet with limited athleticism, he’ll have to make his mark in the NBA by doing what he does best...shooting the rock.

Neitzel in fact represents just how good players are the NBA level. In college, Neitzel was one of the most feared players coming off screens, able to light it up from anywhere on the court. He also had adequate size and quickness to get to the rim. That won’t be the case at the next level and because of this, I don’t expect Neitzel to be chosen on draft night.

The Bottom Line: Really the bottom line here for Toronto is filling out a workout. Neitzel brings very little to the table for the Raps and besides being an excellent workout partner for Jeremy Pargo, Neitzel will probably have to hawk his basketball trade overseas next year.

JEREMY PARGO
Who is he?
6-2 Junior guard from Gonzaga.

Last Year: Averaged 12.1 points and 6.0 assists for the Zags.

What Can He Do? Pargo, like his brothers, is an undersized scoring guard. At 6-2, he’s not exactly your prototypical NBA shooting guard, and with more of a scorers mentality, isn’t exactly a traditional point either. Ah yes, the dreaded combo label.

But Pargo is probably a better point guard than many give him credit for and he can certainly score off the bounce using his quickness and athletic ability. If he returns to school for another season, a distinct possibility at this point, he should be able to hone his point guard skills and work on his shot selection.

The Bottom Line: I like Pargo, but he never seems to be able to step it up on the big stage. He had a poor camp in Orlando, a rough NCAA tournament, and just never really stood out when I saw him play. That being said, he would make an interesting second round pick for a team looking for a player with plenty of potential. I just don’t think though that Toronto is that team.

Thompson was a man among boys in the MAC last year...

Thompson was a man among boys in the MAC last year...

JASON THOMPSON
Who is he?
6-11 Senior forward from Rider.

Last Year: Averaged 20.4 points, 12.1 rebounds, and 2.7 blocks.

What Can He Do? Thompson looks like a traditional NBA power forward and has the game to back it up. He’s got legit size and athletic ability and the skill set to complement his physical attributes.

However the "who is he" piece we do for each prospect is perhaps nowhere more necessary than with Thompson, a player many know little about. I only got to see him play twice on tv last year, both times against other MAC competition in gyms that looked eerily similar to might high school gym on PEI. Yes, perhaps that means that Thompson hasn’t exactly had to bang with the big boys of the Big East or Pac10, but Thompson is no slouch. In fact, he was one of the standouts from Lebron James’ camp a while back and has played quite well against other top bigs like Michael Beasley and JJ Hickson.

The Bottom Line: I’m not sure Thompson fils a need for Toronto but he is a very nice looking prospect. Toronto has plenty at the 4 but this is a player I could very well see going late in the first round only to prove to be a steal. Does Toronto take a shot on him at 17? That I doubt, but keeping track on his draft status might not be a bad idea if the Raptors are looking to re-enter the second round.

Conclusion: Of all these prospects, my favourite would have to be Flip Saunders. Oh wait, wrong article. Yes, with Saunders being released by the Pistons yesterday, this should bring up a number of new "fire Sam" comments on the site. I doubt BC makes a move even with a coach of Saunders’ calibre now available however it is definitely worth musing over.

But back to the topic at hand.

Of today’s prospects, Robin Lopez interests me the most by far. This is a legit option at 17 for the Raptors in my opinion, and a player who probably would be able to play some significant minutes starting next season. He’s definitely a defensive upgrade over Kris Humphries, and is an everything upgrade over Maceo Baston.

Beyond Lopez, I like Jason Thompson a lot however I’m not sure there aren’t better options out there at 17. And in regards to the others, well, some of them seem to have been selected less as potential draft choices, but more as suitable workout partners. Both Neizel and Pargo are shooting guards trapped in point guards bodies, and on the side of the "bigs," it will be interesting to see how finesse outside shooters like Koufos and Anderson do against low-post bangers like Lopez and Thompson.

FRANCHISE

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I like Lopez too and I agree with your thoughts on Flip.

by tfan on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Franchise,

Agreed, Robin lopez seems to be the only serious contender of this workout session…

Ummm… as for Flip Saunders, let’s not even go down that road please. Why would we even consider allowing him to ruin Chris Bosh’s career like he ruined Garnet’s?

Doug Smith had some interesting stuff to say in the Star today. Most importantly it appears that there may be as many as six teams interested in TJ Ford’s services! Here are who I think these teams are: Miami, Portland, Cleveland, Seattle, New York, Indiana. Of these teams, I think Portland and Cleveland make the most sense.

Cleveland: Varajou and either Gibson or Delonte West.

Portland: There are soooo many options here! First off a deal with Portland gets Ford out of the Eastern conference and this is a good thing because mark my words, Ford will do everything in his power to shred the Raptors every time he plays here. In fact I think he may embarrass Jose a few times, not necessarily because he is a better player than Jose, but because Jose is not a great one on one defender and Ford is fantastic one on one player. I think you have got to include Jaret Jack in this deal. He’s we make a great duo with Jose. He’s a solid defender, good floor leader, has a good level of athleticism and is no slouch offensively. Then it get’s interesting… The number one option for me to pair with Jack in this deal would be Travis Outlaw. An athletic freak, who block’s shots, rebounds and has a surprisingly mature offensive game with a feathery touch. Most importantly, when the Blazers needed a big time shot, somewhat surprisingly, they would go to Outlaw. He has what you would call "Testicular fortitude". Second option in a portland deal would be Martel Webster. Webster is going into his 4th year, is 22 years old and was drafted straight out of high school. He is natural shooter along the lines of Ray Allen but has better size (6’7 229lbs) and athleticism. I really think he may be on the brink of realizing his potential. This is also probably the more realistic option.
Finally, there is also Portland’s draft picks that could be worked into a deal.
I know the salaries aren’t perfect but there are ways around that 9involve a third team, add players for cap ballast etc.) I think there is potential there.

by MAS on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

If you read the Portland boards, the "consensus" is that they wouldn't even want to deal Travis Outlaw straight-up for a signed-and-traded Calderon, let alone a Jack-Outlaw package for a deal centring on TJ. Don't get me wrong, they want Jose, but they're in love with Outlaw.

I'd love to see us get Outlaw and Jack too (how perfect would it be to have the NBA's TO playing in T.O.?), but it doesn't seem likely.

by MattK on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

"Toronto has plenty at the 4" - I have to respectfully disagree with this comment. Not that this means I am endorsing Thompson as the 17 pick, but when CB4 isn't on the floor that likely means Hump/Graham/Baston/ have subbed(assuming Bargs is playing the 5) and that's a drop off of epic proportions.

by Clawed on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm really intersted in seeing what Lopez can do. He *could* be perfect for what the raptors need. Then again, he might be slow big man project.

If your picking him to step in and help right away...I dont think its going to happen. First, how many rookies can do this. Second, how many rookie big men can do this? Third, how many rookie big man, picked out of the lottery can do this?

But still, I would like to see what he can do in a workout, and if he can contribute 20 solid minutes a night of rebounding and hustle. if he can do this....its a well worth 17th pick.

BTW, does your media pass allow you to watch any of the workouts? Watch the end of the workouts? Interview the players?

Thanks and keep up the great work.

by Scott on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

JOSE straight up for Travis Outlaw what are they on crack...Portland will reconsider at the trade deadline when they are sitting 10th in the west without a ligit pg...Raptors should do business with the Clippers...send TJ, Rasho and Graham and the 17th pick for Cory and Kaman...I will keep saying this until training camp starts.........raps4life

by Raps4Life on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Raps4Life - unless they get the Clips GM extremely intoxicated, no way that deal happens...Kaman is just to valuable (as he is a rare skilled big man)...but I do agree that Maggette is an interesting idea. But he is not much of a "team player", so pretty unlikely that we ever see him here

by JayElZee on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I think all of these workouts definitely say that the Raps are seeking a second round pick, maybe a couple. None are legit 17th picks. It may not be their priority to acquire a 2nd rounder, but they may be doing it b/c it will be included in other deals (TJ Ford, anyone)...I'm sure BC is savvy enough to feel out these 2nd round prospects, to know if one is included in some deal, if there is something worthwhile.

As for TJ going West, he'll have a tough old time out there...there are far more quality PG's out there (Paul, Parker, Williams, Davis, Nash)...I wonder how he would fare against the tougher competition

by JayElZee on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice article today. Great break-downs of all the players.

Personally, i have no interest in any of them. (as unlikely as it is, Joey G is still an OK 3rd back-up at the PF position.) In fact I like his game better than Humps at that position.

As for the proposed deals, there is no way Portland would consider moving Outlaw unless it involved a deal with Jose at the center of it.
I dont believe they have much interest in TJ according to their fan sites.
As for Jack, i humbly disagree with the general consensus on him. I think he is at best average and wouldn't add a lot of value.

Anderson V perks my interest though. He is one of those players I hate seeing our guys play against. His offensive rebounding prowess reminds me a lot of the original weirdo Dennis Rodman.
Bosh, Bargs, Anderson V and Garbo would be an interesting 4 man front-court rotation. (I see Rasho getting moved in a separate deal as he is a nice tradeable asset at this point).

Just my two cents.

Thursday's work-out with CDR and Walker would be interesting to see.

Cheers

What is the Greek kids' (Prientzes?) contract status?

by sharpy on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks again howland and franchise, you guys raise being a raptors fan to a new level. If you guys dont make money from this, you should. Id pay. Keep posting everyone, trade tj and watch andrea come into his own, jorge come back strong, and 2009 make the transactions to put us over the top

by adam on Jun 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

LOPEZ, LOPEZ, NIETHER LOPEZ IS WORTHY OF THE RAPS PICK at 17, trade the pick with some other players and get the missing peices, or take the long term project like MCGEE OR JORDAN IF THEY ARE THERE OR BATUM FOR THE WING PLAYER YOU NEED, I AGREE THE RAPS ARE IN DESPRATE NEED FOR A PIVOT, BUT BC IS SMART AND HE LOOKS AT FUTURE STATE AS MUCH AS HE LOOKS AT THE PRESENT. THE GUY I REALLY LIKE AT THE PIVOT POSITION IN THIS DRAFT IS DeANDRE JORDAN FROM TEXAS A&M I THINK WITH MINUTES AND THE RIGHT POINT GUARD (JOSE) HE COULD BE A LEGIT FORCE IN THE EAST AT THE 5 SPOT..HE IS ATHLETIC LONG AND VERY WELL BUILT, HE CAN BANG DOWN LOW AND RUNS THE FLOOR VERY WELL FOR A PERSON HIS SIZE..THE ONE THING THAT HE DOES VERY WELL IS REBOUND. I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT HE HAS SOLID FOOTWORK FOR A PLAYER HIS SIZE WHICH IS TOUGH TO TEACH ANYBODY AND IS ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT FOR LEGIT NBA BIG MEN (SEE ROY HIBBERT)...

LATE.....BIG C

by BIG C on Jun 5, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

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