Workouts for June 3, 2008 - Some Sleeper Shooting Guards
The workouts get underway this morning with six interesting shooting guards. This sextet won’t be found drafted early in the first when all is said and done, but are six solid prospects nonetheless, each with good college resumes.
Let’s take a look at each...
WAYNE ELLINGTON
Who is he? 6-5 Sophomore shooting guard from North Carolina.
Last Year: Averaged 16.6 points and 4.5 rebounds for the Tar Heels while shooting nearly 47 per cent from the field, (40 per cent from beyond the arc), and nearly 83 per cent from the free throw line.
What Can He Do? Ellington was one of the smoothest shooters in the country last year for Carolina. He was one of the team’s top scorers and one of the best catch-and-shoot players in all of Division 1. His game is still a little one-dimensional and he’s undersized for the 2 at present, but he’s a scorer in the Cutino Mobley mould and possesses a skill set that should translate at the NBA level.
In fact, while not a slasher, he does have an NBA game and many scouts claimed that Ellington looked like the only definite NBA player at the recent Orlando draft camp. Right now Ellington isn’t even a lock to stay in the draft however. If he gets some first round guarantees, unlikely at this point, he’ll stick around. If not, it’s back to the Heels to join an already formidable returning cast there ready to give Duke problems for yet another season.
The Bottom Line: At present, Ellington’s not likely an option for Toronto at 17, but if he falls into the second round, his scoring ability might make the Raptors look to grab an extra pick in order to snatch him up as a potential D Leaguer.

Who is he? 6-6 Senior shooting guard from Vanderbilt.
Last Year: Averaged 20.3 points and 4.9 rebounds for the Commodores while shooting 52 per cent from the field, 76 per cent from the line and almost 47 per cent from 3.
What Can He Do? Foster is quite similar to Ellington in many respects as both exhibit smooth strokes and the ability to fill it up from anywhere on the court. Foster however has better size for the shooting guard position, better length, and is an even more deadly shooter with tremendous range. His shooting form and style of play in fact brings to mind Michael Redd from his days at Ohio State. On the flip side though, Shan lacks the scoring instincts of Ellington or Redd and is probably even more one-dimensional as an NBA prospect.
Foster had a spectacular senior season and with the success of skilled shooters like Kyle Korver and the Raptors own Jason Kapono, it looked like Foster could be a late-first round pick. However he struggled at the pre-draft camp in Orlando, failing to display even his one go-to asset, his long distance accuracy.
The Bottom Line: I’ll take a pass on Foster thanks. He’s a great senior from a winning program whose character would fit in seamlessly with the Raps. And I’m sure he’ll find his place in the league. However considering Toronto already has Jason Kapono, Foster would seem to simply be a strategic workout partner for some of the others in attendance instead of a legit option at 17 or even in the second round.
JAMONT GORDON
Who is he? 6-4 Junior guard from Mississippi State.
Last Year: Averaged 17.2 points, 6.6 rebounds and 4.9 assists for the Bulldogs.
What Can He Do? Gordon is your classic combo-guard in the Fred Jones/Antonio Daniels/Flip Murray mould. He’s got great scoring instincts and was one of the best at creating his own shot in all of Division 1 last year. He’s not the most incredible athlete, but is definitely above average in this area and incredibly strong with good length, making him an excellent defender.
What seperates Gordon from being a first-round pick like many of his former Oak Hill Academy brethren, is that he’s failed to master many of the skills necessary to become an effective 1 or 2 at the next level. While he’s a great scorer, he’s undersized for the 2 and is as streaky as they come shooting wise. He hit only 41.5 per cent from the field last year (31 per cent from the line), and in terms of playing the point, does not possess the court vision of most NBA back-up point guards, let alone starters.
The Bottom Line: I really like Gordon, and in fact he was one of my favourite players in college to watch with the shot clock winding down; the dude just finds a way to get to the hoop. That’s something the Raptors could use, but not at 17 and there are other prospects I’d rather have in terms of second round flyers. That being said, his competitiveness and defensive abilities should make for a tough workout in regards to the other players participating this morning.
DANNY GREEN
Who is he? 6-5 Junior point guard from North Carolina.
Last Year: Averaged 11.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, 2.0 assists and 1.2 steals last season for the Tar Heels.
What Can He Do? Besides some of the most random dance moves pre-game this side of Jonathan Papelbon, Green was the quintessential sixth man for Carolina last year, and a constant thorn in my side as a Duke fan. Green isn’t one of these players who jumps out at you because of his dunks or blocks, but he’s one of the most well-rounded players in all of college. He can be a lock-down defender in the mode of Shane Battier and while not as athletic, like Battier, has a tremendous basketball IQ.
He’s also improved his shooting and looked fantastic from long-range at the recent pre-draft camp in Orlando according to reports. Green, like Ellington, may still return to school for another year but if he looks good in workouts, could end up being a late first-round pick for a team looking for someone to contribute right away.
The Bottom Line: As much as I dislike Green from my jaded Blue Devils’ perspective, this is a player that would be worth a look at in the second round. I’m positive he would already get more playing time than Joey Graham simply because of his defense and basketball IQ (although I guess that could be seen as a backhanded compliment) and is one of those players who just always seems to be in the right place at the right time on the court. He’s also a player who should look good in workouts and reminds me a lot of Anthony Parker in terms of a well-rounded skill set. He doesn’t have mid-first round talent, but you could do worse if you’re a squad like the Spurs drafting late in round 1.
MALIK HAIRSTON
Who is he? 6-6 Senior shooting guard from Oregon.
Last Year: Averaged 16.3 points, 4.8 rebounds and 2.1 assists for the Ducks.
What Can He Do? Speaking of players who always seem to be in the right place at the right time we come to Malik Hairston. Hairston is a very strange prospect in many ways as he was one of the top recruits of his class coming out of high school, (in fact he was lauded as Oregon’s biggest basketball recruit of all time) yet never made that "next level" jump many expected.
Hairston can do a bit of everything from inside and out (he shot over 43 per cent from beyond the arc last year) and is a great passer from the post. His game has been compared to Quentin Richardson because he can play that back to the basket power game from the guard spot while still being able to thread the needle facing up.
The knock on Malik though has always been whether or not he has the passion to perform at the next level as at times he tends to disappear. His Ducks never reached the summit many thought they would in the Pac 10, and at times it seemed he deferred to other less talented teammates rather than taking the game over himself. That being said, Hairston was one of the better players at the recent pre-draft camp from all reports and looks to have dedicated himself to improving his ball handling and conditioning so far this off-season. Perhaps he’ll shed that "lack of passion" label yet.
The Bottom Line: Hairston considered coming out last season as well with the departure of Aaron Brooks but decided to try and improve his stock by returning for his senior campaign. The results were mixed but he’s the type of player who may simply be more suited for the NBA than college, where he can better take advantage of his creativity and multi-faceted skill-set. For the Raptors, Hairston makes an interesting sleeper prospect, but definitely not one worthy of a first-round pick. However Hairston could easily become one of those under appreciated second round picks like Leon Powe and Carl Landry who find themselves a nice niche in the league.
COURTNEY LEE
Who is he? 6-5 Senior shooting guard Western Kentucky.
Last Year: Averaged 20.4 points, 4.9 rebounds, and 1.8 steals for the Hilltoppers while shooting almost 48 per cent from the field.
What Can He Do? Lee is one of the sleepers of the draft and probably the most legitimate first-round option for the Raptors of this bunch. That’s why Lee’s play against these other four probable four second-rounders should be a good evaluation of his status in the eyes of the Raptors.
Lee lead Western Kentucky to a nice run in last spring’s NCAA tourney and while he didn’t dominate, he still did enough to put his stamp on most scouts’ minds. The knock on Lee is that he lacks consistent aggression even though he does possess the ability to at times dominate games at the D1 level. Playing in the Sun Belt conference isn’t exactly like the Pac10 either, but other recent picks from smaller conferences like Rodney Stuckey and Kevin Martin have shown that that is not always a concern.
The Bottom Line: From all accounts, Lee looks great in private workouts and could really put on a show for the Raps’ brass. He’s not the athlete or finisher that I think some other prospects available to Toronto at 17 are, but he’s a very solid player who should be in the league for years to come. Incidentally this is another player who’s drawn comparisons to Anthony Parker...
Conclusion: I like what the Raptors have done with this first batch of prospects. These players represent really the upper tier of shooting guards who probably won’t hear their names called within the first 20 selections, and who each possess some similar skill sets allowing for a nice evaluation period.
Of this group, Lee is my favourite and there have been rumblings that the Spurs are giving him a very close look at 26. In fact, I think if Lee impresses in this group, it wouldn’t be a surprise at all to see him invited for another session...perhaps against the likes of Brandon Rush and Chris Douglas-Roberts.
FRANCHISE
Upcoming Workouts
Wednesday: Ryan Anderson, Kostas Koufos, Robin Lopez, Drew Neitzel, Jeremy Pargo, Jason Thompson
Thursday: Alexis Ajinca, Chris Douglas-Roberts, DeVon Hardin, Mykal Riley, Brandon Rush, Bill Walker
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It is entirely possible to think too much. I think about how many hours I have invested in reading draft reports, looking at NBA salaries, working out the perfect trades, etc. It really is just silly. I think being a GM is as much about the confidence you bring to an organisation as any trades that may take place. Really, opportunity is created from draft position and salary cap space, if you don't have either or both those two things you are dead in the water. A quick comparison between Babcock and BC can illustrate this...
When Babcock took over as GM of the Raps, his bosses already had made up on their mind to draft for need. It has been well documented that Aroujo was not Babcock's pick, though he often gets the blame. Anyways, he was hired around a month before the draft, so he wouldn't have been prepared. He was also saddled with an awful salary cap position, with no cap relief in sight for a few years. His assets were Carter, Davis and Rose, though all were being paid huge salaries and all appeared to be declining talents. Babcock gave away Carter for 2 draft choices, Zo and vets that might change the culture. Again, his bosses meddled and let Zo go retire - though it looks like he will be back for one more year next year (this was the most spineless move in Raps history!). It looked at that time like Babcock was done, and was going to wait for Rose's massive deal to come off the books. If we had the patience, we would take two first rounders in successive years (probably fairly high too considering Jalen was our leader!), then had a huge clearing of cap space to sign free agents. Though it never really mattered, after that trade Babcock was pretty much fired and they began to pave the road for BC.
It is very important to point out that the road was already paved for BC. Jalen's contract got traded and we GAVE UP a first round pick to unload him a year early to the Knicks. The waiting process had been eliminated, at the cost of accumulating another year of draft talent. BC came in with the number one pick, a boatload of capspace and a pretty crappy team - of course they were going to improve!
Now I am admittedly a bit of a Babcock apologist, but I am pleased to have BC at the helm for no other reason than He is unquestionably in charge of the front office. He takes advice, but he makes the decisions. If Babcock was made of the same mettle he might still be around.
This brings me back to my original point of not thinking too much. If BC did nothing but the totally obvious when he came over, might the raps be in a better situation now?
Imagine if the his FA signings still happened, the TJ trade never happened and took the #1 pick that most had on their boards.
PG. Jose, Mike James, Roko
SG. Parker, Kapono
SF. Villanueva, Balkman?, Moon
PF. Bosh, Garbojosa, Baston
C. Aldrige, Rasho, Hoffa?
That is a scary front line! Anyone think we would be losing the battle of the boards most nights with that line up?
Is this a squad with more talent? More chances to win? I know hindsight is 20/20, but I am just trying to illustrate how easy it is to out-think ourselves.
This year, the raps have a mid-level first round pick, no second, no cap space and FA's of their own to re-sign. Hopefully we can get something decent for TJ, but even that is going to hurt. Due to his contract, injury history and the fact that everyone knows the raps have to deal him, it will be very hard to get equal value for TJ.
People seem to forget that many of our wins over the past 2 years came because we had the best PG combo in the league. When TJ is gone, our PG situation will be a little above average, but doubtfully anywhere close to the claims of best in the league as we often claimed last year and early this year.
I worry hat next year we are looking at another middle of the road team. I doubt Smitch has the ability to make them look any better than they are. So we will really have to wait to the trade deadline or next off season to make any significant improvement. We should take the best available talent with our pick, and hope he is ready when we are ready 2/3 years down the road.
by Robert Archibald on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I think BC should be looking into FA Chuck Hayes, he could bring a lot of toughness, rebounding and defence to the SF spot. Probably pretty cheap too, and less of a headcase than my other darkhorse - Ricky Davis.
by Robert Archibald on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Great work Franchise and Robert Archibald.
The draft measurments are in and there are some suprising results. Derrick Rose, Beasley and Dorsey are all significantly shorter than advertised.
Its halarious how some guys like OJ mayo or donte green get an inch or less when you compare their height w/o shoes to their height when compared with shoes.
Then other guys like Kevin Love get nearly 2 inches.
When talking trade and draft a lot of people have been proposing minor tweaks and others have proposed massive trades.
I think the raptors need to figure out if they want to compete now or if they still want to rebuild. They are on dangerous grounds now because they are an average team. Average means you don't get the high picks in the draft (which wouldn't be a problem if andrea actually played like a no.1) it also means you can't attract some of the high name guys who want to compete for a championship.
Will the raps stay stuck in average world?
Will they make a blockbuster deal to try and make a deep post season run
Or will they continue to believe in Andrea and rebuild.
I think what will happen with the Raptors is what has happened with the Magic. We'll have some cap space and we will likely have to overpay a star player to come here (rashard lewis).
Going back to the draft I wonder how Mike Beasley's height being just over 6'8 in shoes will impact his draft stock. Not ideal height for a powerforward and doesn't have the speed and agility to play the small forward spot.
You can get the rest of the measurements at either nbadraft.net or draftexpress.com
by wtf on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
does anybody know where is PJ tucker these days? is he worth a shot with the Raptors?
by gottywhat on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
You guys have been working hard and I think I speak for all of us when I say GOOD JOB.
Now, I've been running the numbers and I'm finally convinced I know what BC is going to do.
Shawn Marion will be a raptor this coming season for Ford and Nesterovic. Here's why:
1. Marion fills the most glaring needs in spades...Rebounds & slashing scoring.
2. He's a known quantity and has history with BC (BC doesn't need another Ford fiasco).
3. This forces Smitch to start Bargs (suck it smitch).
4. Marion can mentor Moon for one season at least.
5. Marion is one of the only moves that will make everyone forget about Ford (& Villenueva) for a season.
6. BC can then draft a C to fill the backup role.
7. Marion then comes off the books next season (or maybe BC gets him to sign on for a few more years at a cut rate)
So here is the Raptors line-up next season:
Calderon/Ukic
Parker/Delfino/Kapono
Marion/Moon/
Bosh/Garbo/Baston
Bargnani/Draft Pick
IMO this lineup wins 10 to 15 more games next season on the rebounding and defense alone.
I know the salary cap is an issue but maybe BC moves Kapono or doesn't sign Delfino on again.... both are easy moves if needed.
Feel free to applaud now... KIDDING!!!
by vulcanoboy on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
ooops!! Forgot to mention one other point wrt Marion:
- Miami drafts Beasly to fill the Marion role (to some degree) for WAAAY cheaper.
Cheers all!!
by vulcanoboy on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

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