A Roll of the Dice
Besides the whole idea of deciding where a team picks based on a random draw, the same inferences could be drawn in terms of the players selected.
Will Michael Beasley be the next Elton Brand or the next Derrick Coleman?
Will OJ Mayo be the next Chauncey Billups or the next Rodney White?
The NBA Draft, even after the lottery portion is complete, is still a big game of luck. You can scout till the cows come home and interview players till you’re blue in the face. But you can’t prepare for a player that just doesn’t care or injuries that happen after the fact. Prospects that look like the sure thing (Michael Olowokandi) can become the ultimate bust, even with all the physical tools in the world.
Therefore I found it interesting that several posters recently commented on the fact that they didn’t care to discuss "potential" and wanted a "proven" player.
To them I say, wait till July when we get into free-agent mode. When you’re talking about the draft, there’s just no such thing as a sure thing. These draftees may have proven themselves at a college or international level, but none have proven themselves in the NBA. And furthermore, so many other factors come into play after a player is selected that even if you believe to be picking the "sure thing," things can go terribly wrong unexpectedly.
Take Greg Oden for example.
Along with the Tim Duncans and Shaquille O’Neals, Oden was a perfect example of a player labeled as a "sure thing" from the moment he entered the draft. However after undergoing serious knee operations last year, who really knows how he’ll respond next season. And even if he still plays at a fairly high level and maybe even becomes an All-Star, if Kevin Durant surpasses him in stardom, won’t critics always hammer home the point that Portland should have made Durant the top choice?
Hindsight is always 20/20 and that’s why teams draft Darko Milicic instead of Chris Bosh or Dwyane Wade.
That’s also why when discussing the NBA draft, you HAVE to talk upside. The order of selections on draft day never reflects the future sequential value of players in the league. Some start strong and flare out, some are late bloomers, and others of course never pan out at all.
In particular, the Raptors with the 17th pick have little to look at but upside. It’s one thing perhaps to look more closely at "who the sure thing is" if the team has a top three pick…but at 17? Toronto could be drafting the next Josh Smith or the next Zarko Cabarkapa (both 17th picks in 2004 and 2003 respectively.)
My point is that the draft is all about potential, and which teams and their management can get the best read on it. Yes, scouting has a lot to do with teams’ success (look at Detroit, San Antonio and the Lakers, teams that have consistently refueled their tanks via the draft) but sometimes players just don’t work out for one reason or another. The Raptors have seen this many a time and as a perfect example, Joey Graham looked to have all the tools to be a solid pro, yet is probably a year or two away from being out of the league.
So to examine this topic more closely, I took a look at two very different drafts to further analyze just how different draft classes can be, and to illustrate how hard it is to grab that "sure thing."
First off, I’ve chosen the 1996 draft. I’ve picked out frequent All-Stars from the class and in brackets I’ve denoted where they were chosen. Then, I’ve done the same with the following year’s draft, 1997.
1996: All-Star caliber players: Allen Iverson (1), Marcus Camby (2), Stephon Marbury (4), Ray Allen (5), Kobe Bryant (13), Steve Nash (15), Jermaine O’Neal (17) and Zydrunas Ilgauskas (20.)
This draft, my favourite of all time, also produced other All-Stars and valuable role players like Shareef Abdur-Rahim (3), Antoine Walker (6), Kerry Kittles (8), Erick Dampier (10), Peja Stojakovic (14), Derek Fisher (24) and Jerome Williams (26).
1997: All-Star caliber players: Tim Duncan (1), Chauncey Billups (3), Tracy McGrady (9).
A LITTLE different in terms of talent isn’t it? The only other players from this class worth mentioning are Keith Van Horn (2), Antonio Daniels (4), Derek Anderson (13), and Bobby Jackson (23.) The rest of the draft was filled with eventual bench fodder like Tony Battie (5), Tim Thomas (7), Adonal Foyle (8), Danny Fortson (10), Austin Croshere (12), Scot Pollard (19), and Jacque Vaughn (27.)
Now let’s look at this year’s draft. Many are saying that this is a very deep draft, and a useful player could be had even late in the first round or into the second. But what exactly does that mean? I chose both the 1996 and 1997 drafts as examples as both were "deep" drafts. However one was deep in star-power, the other, deep in bench and role players. Who’s to say which side of the fence this upcoming draft falls on? In fact, the very next year’s draft after the two we discussed saw the star level go back up with players like Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Antawn Jamison and Vince Carter (drafted ninth and 10th, fourth and fifth respectively) selected. And 1999 saw another influx of stars as Brand, Steve Francis, Baron Davis, Lamar Odom, Richard Hamilton, Andre Miller, Shawn Marion, Jason Terry, Corey Maggette, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko and Manu Ginobili entered the league. But this year, who really knows?
That’s why saying that Toronto needs to take the "sure thing" is a bit like saying they need to draft someone. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder which is why one GM’s Tskitishvili is the next’s Amare Stoudemire.
Even Andrea Bargnani’s draft just two short years ago is starting to look like it will fall on the 1997 side of the fence when all is said and done. It was purported to be a very deep draft but aside from Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay and LaMarcus Aldridge, no one other than Rajon Rondo has really made much of a name for themselves. Shelden Williams, Patrick O’Bryant, Saer Sene and Quincy Douby all seem to be following in the paths of Battie, Foyle, Fortson, and Vaughn and many of their peers aren’t faring much better.
Therefore as excited as I am about the draft, the reality is that it will be via trades and free-agent signings that a team such as Toronto has a chance to really improve. As fans we all know quite well what areas this team needs to address and if some gaps can be filled through the draft, than that’s great. But I expect the bulk of the heavy lifting to come just after draft day.
On June 26 Bryan Colangelo will roll the dice and hope that whomever he drafts will at least find a role with the club. Will the player become that missing swingman or defensive post-presence for the Raptors?
It’s impossible to say.
Everyone will have an opinion on who Toronto should select and only time will tell if the correct choice is made.
However for now here at the HQ, we’ll be trying to gather as much information as we can on the options available for the Raptors.
And coincidentally…the same year as Vince was drafted, the number 17 pick was none other than Rasho Nesterovic.
FRANCHISE
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I would say also Andrea Bargnani has made a name for himself, sure not into star dome yet (but who else, besides Brandon Roy has done it out of that class?). I believe is it about time to stop wining for what the guy does not have (yet?) and have a look to what he brings on the table. He has been a game changing presence for three quarters of his first season and yes has had a bad 2007/8 season but not without showing he has it in himself. And no, I do not buy the sophomore slump, I call this a shooting slump for a player whose game, at this stage in his career starts with shooting. Nobody has taken the shooting away from Andrea, he has lost it himself for this season and very likely he is going to have it back. Can/should he improve other parts of his game? Yup! Does he need to work hard at the gym and with a Big man trainer? No doubts. But an Andrea Bargnani deadly on the offense and solid in defense is here with us, he has, up to this moment just failed to bring both sides of his game on the court at the same time (Dirk has yet to bring much defense yet and he has been around much longer). Most of the league recognize all this, why can't Raptors fans do that too?
by thecaptain2000 on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
i followed the nba draft pretty closely, and i don't think 2006 draft was ever consider a very deep draft, many scout consider it to be one of the weakest draft since 2000. That's why i was pretty disappointed we were the first pick overall that year.
by rap on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
thecaptain2000 - Solid point, Bargs has made a name for himself, I think I was simply looking beyond him at the rest of his group.
As an aside, the workout schedule has been released for the next few days. Unfortunately I'm out of town for work this week and will miss the big Thursday showdown featuring three of our top five faves at the 17th spot. Hopefully they'll be invited back later this month so we get some one-on-one time with each...
http://www.nba.com/raptors/news/2008_predraft_workouts.html
by Franchise on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
On another topic… was thinking recently on who the hell the Raps are going to get to fill in as broadcaster for Chuck. I’m pretty sure it will be know-nothing Canadian hockey transplant… UGH…
Well, I know I’m dreaming here but wouldn’t it be a dream come true if we could get GUS JOHNSON! If you’re a Simmons fan you know who he is… If not have a look at these youtube vids: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Gus+Johnson&search_type=
I defy anyone to name a broadcaster that brings more passion and excitement to the in-game experience than Gus.
by MAS on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
MAS, GuJo already calls Knicks games...maybe he'd be interested in a team upgrade
by Jdbar on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
nice article Franchise. that's really too bad you can't see the workouts this week.
imo, teams like detroit, san antonio and the lakers have maintained a signature/ identity/ program for such a long time they're bound to be more successful. they know what blend of mentality, physicality and skills they want out of each position. maybe a reason why not to get too frustrated with the nba+fiba experiment going on right now. it takes time to acquire a signature.
by dileroscoe on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
franchise, looking forward to the draft prospects breakdown when the workouts kickin. The draft is like a game of craps and your examples from 96 and 97 are good representations. The 1996 draft is crazy!
by fromlongrange on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Hey Franchise/Howland...Howchise?...what are the odds of getting a look at a guy like Gary Forbes (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gary-Forbes-5073/) at the Raps camp? Sounds like he could be Jamario Moon #2 only more willing to get to the rim. Or he might be exactly like Moon and therefore be redundant in Toronto.
Also, it looks like Sacto is looking at drafting a point guard, but if they lose out on the guy the want, might they go for a guy like T.J. in a separate deal. If we could get their pick and maybe Mr. Artest, we could draft a guy like Russell Westbrook to back up Calderon - depending on the Ukic situation. Nevertheless, I like Westbrook a lot and would love to see him in a Raps uniform.
by Casey on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Casey - Sacto is one of the teams to watch in many ways. If Westbrook falls to them, he's gone...but if not, and if Augustine is already gone too, then things could get interesting.
by Franchise on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Mas - Gus Johnson, is he that guy who just did the Kimbo Slice/James Thompson thing?
by gottywhat on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

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