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Workouts for June 13, 2008 – More Bigs and Dukie

JJ Hickson...worth a look as the next Chris Wilcox???

JJ Hickson...worth a look as the next Chris Wilcox???

Happy Friday the 13th everyone.

(Hmmm…hope this isn’t an omen for this morning’s workout participants.)

Today marks Toronto’s fourth installment in the workout series and brings six more players to the Air Canada Center for evaluations.

I recently discussed how sparse workouts have been this year but the truth is that with the Garbo situation, the Eurocamp in Treviso, and mass workouts scheduled for multiple teams at once, it’s not like the Legomaster and his crew have been sitting around eating corn chips and watching old SNL reruns. However with only 13 days until the NBA draft, things should start heating up again on the workout front.

Therefore while Howland and I could have attended today’s session, we both thought it best to save our access for some auditions which featured a few more significant names. At some point we expect names like Donte Greene, JaVale McGee, Chase Budinger, Joe Alexander, Marresse Speights, and maybe even Danilo Gallinari and Nicolas Batum to be listed in terms of workout participants…so at that point we may have to tell our respective employers that we "cough," suddenly won’t be able to make it in to work…

And today’s crop?

Well, it’s not exactly like bringing in Wade, Hinrich, Ford and Bosh for a look, something the club did in preparation for 2003’s draft. But there are still some interesting players in this group so let’s take a look at each one in turn.

DARRELL ARTHUR
Who is he?
6-9 Sophomore Power Forward/Center from Kansas.

Last Year: Averaged 12.8 points and 6.3 rebounds to go with 1.3 blocks for the Jayhawks.

What Can He Do? Arthur is like that hot girl in high school who would flirt with you to get at your best friend; he’s a tease. At first glance we’re talking about someone who evokes images of a certain prospect by the name of McDyess after he entered the NBA from Alabama. He’s got an NBA 4 prototype build, with excellent athleticism and scoring instincts and has the ability to score inside and out.

However for someone with his length (measured under 6-9 in shoes at the pre-draft camp but had almost a nine foot standing reach), he’s not exactly a great rebounder, and at only 216 pounds, will need to add some weight to be able to withstand abuse in the paint at the NBA level.

Arthur also will need to wow scouts and GM’s in individual workouts as his body of work from Kansas just wasn’t consistent. He’s got as much or more potential than anyone else in this draft class really, but the question is, can he make good on it.

The Bottom Line: Arthur was one of the more maddening prospects for me to watch last year. Sometimes (like his performance against Memphis in the Championship game where he put up 20 points and grabbed 10 rebounds), you’d look at him and wonder why he couldn’t be right up there with Michael Beasley in terms of NBA potential. At others, (his 7 point – 5 rebound performance against the much smaller Davidson only days before playing Memphis) you’d wonder why he’s declaring for the draft at all.

So is he worth a look at 17? I think so, only because on potential and size alone, it’s doubtful he drops this far. He looks like a late lottery pick so if he’s around when Toronto makes their selection, it might be tough to pass on his upside. However while he might be worth a strong look, I’d rather not see his name called by the Raps. Kansas power forwards have not exactly lived up to NBA expectations (see Gooden, Drew and LeFrentz, Raef) and with Chris Bosh in tow, this is one position Toronto can leave alone for a while with others needing more serious attention.

TYRONE BRAZELTON
Who is he?
6-0 Senior guard from Western Kentucky.

Last Year: Averaged 14.4 points and 2.8 rebounds and 3.7 assists for the Hilltoppers.

What Can He Do? Some of you may remember Brazelton for the blistering offensive performance he put on during the NCAA tournament. He dropped 31 on UCLA in a losing cause and 33 on Drake in the game that featured the soon-to-be classic buzzer-beating 3 pointer from teammate Ty Rogers.

Brazelton is not exactly your prototypical point guard but had a great, albeit short, career at Western Kentucky. He’s a solid long-range shooter and can score off the dribble in a variety of fashions.

However he measured under 6 feet even in shoes at the recent combine in Orlando and posted mediocre numbers in terms of strength and athleticism. Therefore he’s going to have a tough time in the league considering he doesn’t have the floor vision or scoring ability of some of the draft’s other small guards like DJ Augustin or Jerryd Bayless.

The Bottom Line: Brazelton is definitely an "under-the-radar" type prospect who may have been brought in to match up with DeMarcus Nelson more than anything. He’s definitely not an option for Toronto at 17 and I doubt he’ll hear his name called at all on June 26th. That being said, this is a player with some nice skills who could find great success by taking his game overseas.

JAMES GIST
Who is he?
6-9 Senior forward from Maryland.

Last Year: Averaged 15.9 points, 7.9 rebounds and 2.3 blocks for the Terrapins.

What Can He Do? Potential, potential, potential. This really is all you need to say about Gist at this point in time. Gist came on strong towards the end of the season for the Terps and created a nice buzz for himself at the recent Orlando pre-draft camp.

This is an energy player in the same vein as Mikki Moore, who uses his strength and athleticism to impact games on the glass and in the paint. He’s constantly active while on the court and posted over a steal a game last year on average.

However his game does have a number of holes, especially at the offensive end. His scoring arsenal is quite limited to dunks and put-backs and as he’s actually closer to 6-8, many wonder how his game will translate at the NBA level.

The Bottom Line: Gist is an interesting player in that he does a lot of the things Toronto needs assistance with. He can be a ferocious player to contend with at times because of his athleticism (he dropped 31 and 11 on Wake Forest in late February and 26 on Duke earlier in the year) and could become a very nice energy player off the bench in the NBA. I expect him to be a second-round pick and if he falls late into the draft, Toronto could do worse if they’re looking for a player who could help down the road. However right now he’s still quite raw, even for a college senior, and I expect to see him putting in his time via the summer league with a team other than the Raps.

J.J. HICKSON
Who is he?
6-9 Freshman forward from NC State.

Last Year: Averaged 14.8 points, and 8.5 rebounds for the Wolfpack along with over a block a game.

What Can He Do? Hickson is a similar player to Gist in that he’s an athletic big man who finishes well in close and can be a monster on the glass. However Hickson shows more potential as a freshman entering the league and already has NBA level size.

He’s been compared by many to Chris Wilcox because of his leaping ability and powerful dunks and he has a much more advanced offensive game than Gist, even though he sported a lower scoring average on the year. He struggles though with his left hand and at times this year showed that he’s definitely a freshman still learning many of the nuances of the game.

The Bottom Line: Hickson is already climbing the board in many mock drafts as he’s now seen as a potential late first round pick. Could Toronto take a look at him when they pick 17th? I think he’s a bit too raw for that but perhaps if he really impresses against the other bigs today, he might be worth a look. The problem is, he’s definitely not a center as with the exception of his excellent length, is almost undersized as a 4 in the league. And as we’ve previously mentioned, some back-up potential behind Chris Bosh would be nice, but there are other areas needing more immediate attention right now.

DeMARCUS NELSON
Who is he?
6-4 Senior guard from Duke.

Last Year: Averaged 14.5 points, 5.8 rebounds and 2.9 assists for the Blue Devils.

What Can He Do? As a senior with Duke, Nelson showed that he can do a bit of everything. He’s a great scorer (he holds the all-time scoring record for California HS basketball) who can put the ball on the deck and get to the rim with the best of them in D1. On the other side of the ball, while undersized (he measured closer to 6-2 in Orlando) he makes up for it with his ridiculous wingspan (nearly 6-11) and was one of college’s best on-the-ball defenders last year.

The problem is, that was in college and it’s tough to predict how his game will impact at the next level. He’s been compared to the likes of Tony Delk because of his size and strength however Delk had a sweeter stroke and perhaps former Blue Devil Dahntay Jones is a more suitable comparison. Both did not exactly have the prettiest form but were excellent athletes who could finish at the rim.

The Bottom Line: Nelson was one of my favourite Blue Devils the past few years because he never took a play off defensively. However I’m not sure how successful he’ll be in the NBA. He’s undersized for his position, hardly possesses a jump shot, and doesn’t have the court vision to play the 1 like some of his Duke predecessors (Duhon, Ewing etc.) However he is a superb athlete (tested as one of the best in the recent draft combine), a potent scorer, a tenacious defender and an excellent rebounder for his size, all traits that will probably land him on a team’s summer-league roster. I’m not sure he’ll hear his name called in such a deep draft, but he’s the type who should look great in workouts and may dazzle a GM enough to be a late second-round option.

Nelson will probably find a role in the league...just not in Raptors' red...

Nelson will probably find a role in the league...just not in Raptors' red...

DAVID PADGETT
Who is he?
6-11 Senior center from Louisville.

Last Year: Averaged 11.2 points, 4.8 rebounds, and shot 66.7 per cent from the field for the Cardinals.

What Can He Do? Watching Padgett last year for the Cardinals was painful at times. Why? Because I always felt that Padgett was more talented than Rafael Araujo yet Hoffa went in the top 10 of the draft and Padgett will probably be a late, late, second-round pick.

But I digress. Padgett is not exactly your typical college center in that he’s an excellent passer from the post, and is not simply a "jump hook and done" type guy. He possesses an excellent basketball IQ doing a great job of using cutters and seeing angles and his absence will be severely felt by Rick Pitino’s crew next season.

As an NBA prospect, I’d put him above the Jake Voskuhls and Paul Davises of the league and slightly below the Mark Madsens and the Eduardo Najeras. He’s not the most athletic player, in particular after undergoing a series of knee operations, but he makes everyone around him better and no doubt will find a niche role with some team’s bench.

The Bottom Line: Will it be with the Raptors? I doubt it. He’s definitely not one of the horses in the running for the 17th pick, and in terms of a late second-round flyer should BC want to take someone, I’d rather see Toronto grab a more athletic "upside" type big man.

However I’d have no problem with Padgett getting an invite to summer league and/or training camp. I think he’d be much more of an asset to the Raptors than Maceo Baston and could be a good practice and spot minute type. Think of it this way…he’d be one less player that Sam Mitchell would have to yell to much at. Padgett just gets it and while he’s no Brad Miller, promises to find a role in the league provided he can stay healthy.

Conclusion:

First off, kudos once again to Toronto’s staff for organizing a workout which features similar sized, yet multi-skilled individuals. It sort of kills a few birds with one stone as the audition should give Bryan Colangelo and co. a nice opportunity to evaluate the four bigs at once. Can the less athletic but more refined Padgett take advantage of the rawness of Gist and Hickson? Can the more highly touted Arthur step up against energy guys like Hickson and Gist? And can the latter two show each other up one-on-one?

And even outside the "bigs," the match-up between DeMarcus Nelson and Tyrone Brazelton should be a nice battle of similar skills.

From this group, Hickson interests me the most although not at 17. If he were to fall though to say the early second round, perhaps then BC could swoop in and pick him up from a team Seattle or Portland possessing numerous picks. Hickson doesn’t have the all-around allure of Arthur, but I think he could be a nice addition to the bench and a player who could come in and contribute immediately with his rebounding and energy.

FRANCHISE

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The first move of the summer is quite surprising, to me at least. I see no need to buy-out Garbo and only benefits in keeping him around.
Unless Garbo requested the buy-out and BC, who always means good for his players, tried to accommodate him.
I do realize we don't know a lot of things however I have a feeling that there is a stronger connection between Garbo and Jose than we think and Jose is evaluating the way we handle Garbo. Therefore, in order to keep Jose, BC is willing to part with an asset with no comparable return.
I still have a bad taste in my mouth hearing the news however the summer is long and there is plenty of time to judge the brass' work. I just hope that after a good off-season in 2006 and a terrible one in 2007 now it is time for another good one.

by Daniel on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

As far as bigs...obviously not the next Kareem but I like Hibbert (?) a big body,7.2 that would help Bosh,..if he is good enough for Utah,why not us ?,I think he can play in this league,and he will be within our selection range.
Reason why,if TJ is gone we will be more of a half court team with Jose at the helm.
....than BC can get creative with TJ to find us a slashing forward that can create his own shot.

by d279 on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Reports just came in that Arthur is a no-show due to a hamstring issue. That's too bad as he's the best prospect of the group. Perhaps he'll show up next week...

by Franchise on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Garbo wants to play in the Olympics, and Spain wants him. Raptors will not allow him to play while under contract to them. Enter the buy-out option as part of the solution between the Raptors and Spain FED lawsuit.

by Johnn19 on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Raptors choices should come down to Lopez and Dorsey for rebounds/defense, and CDR and Rush or Batum for offense and defense @ SF/SG
A big and a scoring guard would be an Ideal choice.

by Johnn19 on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Daniel - I kinda agree about garbo, but the situation has got to end. Garbo's shown where his loyalties lie and while it's too bad because he probably has the highest bball iq the team.

by axl on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Another important fact on Garbo's situation is that even if his foot is healthy, a european 40-50 games season playing twice per week (at most), is a lot less taxing on that foot than a brutal NBA +82 games season playing every other day.

Could one of you guys clarify for me how the buyout works in terms of salary cap? Does his $4.25-million come totally off the books, only the buyout amount or what?

by Sergi P on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Sergi - Garbo's salary wouldn't come off the cap, it would essentially just open up a roster spot. Therefore Toronto will still probably only have the mid-level exception to work with for signing free-agents other than Jose...

by Franchise on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Doug Smith provided a good breakdown on how the "buy out" plays out vis-a-vis the cap and tax threshold:

" The savings come in the form of a lower "cap number" on the player being bought out. Not tax vs. cap or money in the coffers but cap technicalities.
Here’s how it was explained to me by Someone Who Knows. Let’s say Player A is owed $10 million over two years on a contract that’s bought out. Let’s say the contract is for $5 million each year and the buyout is for $8 million. Instead of being on the books for $5 million in each of the two years, the player goes on the books at $4 million each year. It just lessens the cap number for that player for the length of his contract. In the Garbo case, if his deal is for $4.25 million next year and they buy him out for $3.5 million (and I have no idea if that’s even in the ball park), that’s what he’ll be on the books for. It’s not nearly enough to get Toronto under the cap or change what they can spend on free agents but it does give them a bit more wiggle room as they approach the tax level."

According to Hoopsworld.com the TJ for Maggette rumours are heating up:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9059

Question... if this deal does go down, doesn't it further validate that anyone could be an NBA GM? I mean, Raptor's fans have been suggesting a trade for Maggette for at least 2 seasons now! LOL

by MAS on Jun 13, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

TJ for Maggette, yeah I guess you'd have to do it.

Maggette is about 5 years older...probably peaked.

TJ is full of potential in my eyes, but I guess our dreamland of two high quality PG is coming to an end.

Jose has proven to be at least as good, if not better in certain key areas.

We desperately need a player like Maggette....

But what happenend to our long term plans, guys? Is Cory Maggette going to start on an NBA Championship team three years from now? I'm not sure....this might turn out to be a Camby for Oakley type trade. (gain now, lose later.)

by DayOner on Jun 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Paul Gasol is so soft

He made me realize how soft Europian big men are. He's getting pushed around by Pj Brown like hes some piece of paper.
I know thats so random but Im scared Lakers is losing because of him.

by Lakers on Jun 15, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

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