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Trading Down

Would Lester Hudson be a player the Raps would want to grab by trading down?

Would Lester Hudson be a player the Raps would want to grab by trading down?

In my last article, I examined just how unlikely it would be to see Toronto jump into the lottery or higher in this coming draft. Recently, the New York papers have been buzzing about "TJ Ford for New York’s sixth pick" ideas but it’s still very early to get a read on what each team is thinking.

In fact as evidence of this, after Derrick Rose’s Memphis teammate Joey Dorsey indicated that he knew the Bulls were going to pass on his former running-mate for Michael Beasley, an incensed John Paxon cut off all interviews stating that he had not made a choice at this point in time.

And what about the Raptors?

Well, workouts aside, the official draft process is in full swing thanks to the start of the Orlando pre-draft camp. Do the Raptors have their eye on anyone? No word yet but this year there is some serious talent on display for a change in Florida (mostly due to the depth of this draft class) and Bryan Colangelo and co. will have a number of enticing players to examine.

Are any worthy of the 17th pick?

Probably not. But what if the Raptors don’t see anyone they like at 17? Could the team move down?

I think that’s entirely possible this year, mostly because of the depth of talent prevalent later in the first round and even into the second.

Say for example the Raptors have their sights set on someone like a Chris Douglas-Roberts. But maybe through their own intel realize that he’ll still be around when Seattle picks at 24. Well considering the Sonics have an incredible six selections this year, two in the first round and four in the second, maybe Toronto deals its 17th pick for Seatle’s picks 24 and 32? Would that land a slashing 3 and a banging post-player like Joey Dorsey?

And of course the pick could also be used as an enticement to a team to take on one of the Raptors’ unwanted contracts.

Trying to get rid of Joey Graham?

Hey New Jersey, you have two picks in the first round. How about in exchange for taking Joey, we give you the 17th pick and take pick number 21 from you?

On top of this, there could be a number of permutations to deals like this. And considering the depth of this draft class, and the increased frequency of finding value in the second round, Bryan Colangelo has vast array of options. Just last year for example, players like Carl Landry, Glen Davis, Jermareo Davidson, Dominic McGuire, Aaron Gray, Ramon Sessions and DJ Strawberry, all played significant minutes for their respective clubs. And all were second round picks.

Add in other names like Marc Gasol, Sammy Mejia, and Gabe Pruitt that were stashed overseas or in the D League, and while we’re not talking All-Stars here, these guys are proof that there is plenty of opportunity to find some value late in the draft.

And of course this means lots of choice for Bryan Colangelo, and why it’s not impossible that he sets his sights on some of the players currently playing in Orlando as second round options. Yes, even though Toronto lacks a pick in the second half of the draft, you have to think that teams with multiple picks like Seattle (4 in the second round), Portland (4), Dallas (3), and even Boston and Orlando (both with 2 but neither of whom seem to need projects on their respective rosters) will look to move one or more of their selections.

In fact with all of the options that may present themselves later in the draft, and the amount of talent on display this year, BC might find himself in sort of a draft version of Temptation Island!

I never really got into the whole "reality TV" thing.

I mean, yeah, I got through a season or two of the apprentice.

And I’ll watch Gordon Ramsay chew out some beleaguered sous-chef anytime…

…but American Idol? I think I saw one episode when it first debuted in North America.

And forget Fear Factor, Big Brother, Bachelor/Bachelorette and all the others. I think the only memory I have of Survivor, perhaps the most renowned of the genre, is that of my roommate in University dressing up in a grass skirt and war paint for the finale.

(Yeah…we didn’t live together for that long after that…)

But Temptation Island was a different story. It was perhaps the most ridiculous "reality television" concept of all time representing 45 minutes of pure mindless entertainment.

For those not familiar with the show, which lasted only a few seasons, it essentially involved three or four couples traveling to some paradise island, whereupon they would be separated and then tempted by a bevy of attractive individuals of the opposite sex. There was no real prize involved at the end of the show. There was only the anticipation of whether or not the couples would reunite and continue their romance when all was said and done…or conversely, pair up with one of the "tempters" from the island and end things with their significant others.

I guess "the moral" of the show, if you can say that considering it came from the honchos at Fox TV, was that it was tough for the couples to make correct choices based on the endless amount of temptation in front of them.

Um…Orlando pre-draft camp anyone??

Is the upcoming draft akin to an NBA version of Temptation Island?

Is the upcoming draft akin to an NBA version of Temptation Island?

I think after reading about the talent involved in Orlando this year, and the sheer volume of prospects up for perusal, you have to wonder if Bryan Colangelo and his GM peers aren’t facing the same issues so to speak. It must be quite easy to become enamored with a certain player if he stands out in these type of environments. And then if this happens enough, as it has with certain GM’s in the past, then do you end up with a situation where trading down becomes an even more realistic option as you look to grab more than one potential diamond in the rough?

Does the GM then start to look unknowingly at a situation where he’s taking quantity over quality?

Portland’s draft in 2004 is a great example of this. The team decided to keep all four of its draft picks to help rebuild and chose future All-Stars, Sebastian Telfair, Viktor Khryapa, Sergei Monia and Ha Seung-Jin. Right. Only two years later, all four were either dealt to other clubs, or were out of the league. Until Boston converted a number of its four picks from that same year into KG, it looked to have done the same thing. Albeit the C’s choices developed into better players than Portland’s gruesome quartet, the fact remains that it can become quite easy for GM’s to fall into this "stockpiling for the sake of stockpiling" mentality, and it’s often seen when teams trade down in the draft.

However in Bryan Colangelo’s case this year, I do think there is some merit in moving down a few spots. Toronto is no Boston or Portland in that they only have one pick at present, and simply don’t have the roster space barring a trade to take on three or four new prospects.

But picking up an early second round pick or another late first rounder in exchange for pick 17 makes a lot of sense, especially if the player they are targeting can be had later, as previously discussed. And as evidenced by the team’s play to end the season, they do need help in a number of areas.

Is the draft however the best way of addressing these needs?

Perhaps not, but trading down in a draft like this year’s may be a no-lose situation, considering how similar in talent and "upside" many of the late first round or early first round prospects are. And with that in mind, here are five players I’m hoping get invites to the Raptors pre-draft workouts, and who might represent some potential second round, or late first round options for Toronto:

1) Joey Dorsey – Not much to say about Dorsey that we haven’t already said. He’s a Ben Wallace type bruiser, who is perhaps even more athletic than young Ben in early Detroit days.

2) Lester Hudson – My real sleeper of the draft. I only got to see him play once last season but he’s a hard-nosed scorer ala Rodney Stuckey with a bulldog mentality. If TJ goes, he might be the perfect change-of pace back-up for Jose.

3) Devon Hardin – Another raw big who might be worth taking a flyer on, even after a so-so season at Cal last year.

4) Jason Thompson – Playing in the MAAC he didn’t get the exposure of many other prospects but his game reminds me of Juwan Howard at Michigan and could become a nice role player for a club.

5) Davon Jefferson – Has drawn comparisons to Gerald Wallace and might be one of those raw second rounders who develops into a real gem of a player. Jefferson has apparently showed up to camp in Orlando out of shape and looking ill-prepared but his length and athletic abilities are still quite intriguing.

And even if Toronto doesn’t trade down with their pick, there will be numerous Temptation Island type questions for the Raptors’ brain-trust at 17. For instance, do you decide to take a proven winner like Brandon Rush or are you tempted by the tremendous upside of a Donte Green?

Welcome to Draft Temptation Island, where teams who play it safe lose out (the Raptors with Hoffa), and just as many who look at potential, can themselves back years (Washington with Kwame Brown.)

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Nice write up but I respectfully disagree. When you're in the position of the Spurs or Detroit, you can afford to look for a "diamond in the rough". As for the Raptors, I thought the point was to find someone who can make a difference right away.
No more projects, no more "untapped potential". Lets get a proven player, (easier said than done), and make a move towards the ECF.
In my opinion, trading down is for teams looking to only tweak their rosters. Our moves will need to be slightly more invasive.

by No1andDone on May 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

definitely agree it's the type of draft that getting a second pick would be productive. can't we just throw joey away and get one?
are you guys doing an international draft spotlight? have a hunch that jawai and pekovic are higher on the list of big men than dorsey and hardin

by dileroscoe on May 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Franchise no disrespect,But I'm tired of the "potential" I want,and I think Brian is going to want RIGHT NOW type of players that can come in and leave a mark.
Not necessarily a starter but maybe a 6th or 7th man.
We have to compete in the East with the Lebruns,and the C's big three and lets not forget the Pistons...who love to smack our asses to the floor.
In an earlier comment,you talked about Love....no offence again,and I am going to sound racist but we don't need any more big white boys who cant jump.I want some big brother with a shit load of tatoos to park some butts on the floor and be a welcoming committee to anyone thinking of driving to the basket....there I said it !!!everybody thinks it but are too scared to say it.
The only players we have had lately with any intestinal fortitude has been T.J.(and I would like him gone)Rasho has what it takes ,but chances are he might be gone...

by d279 on May 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Love the temptation iland reference. That show was always good and usually had some nice quality girls on it. I think they even had a penthouse pet once or something.

I like the trading down plan only if bc indeed knows he can get the player he wants later. Otherwise like the other posters, this team needs something impactful. Lots of options though 4 sure.

by fromlongrange on May 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

My knowledgeof college ball is nil.
...but that was Mo Pete courtside at the Palace.

Looks like Celtics- Lakers. I'm with the SportsGuy - don't think the Lakers will be beat

by Tinman on May 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't like her politics but Elizabeth from Survivor is the only good thing to come of reality TV. Hot.

Fear Factor was ok in its prime, then it was just who could eat the nastiest shit wins.

Magloire rumors going around Tdot. Anybody else heard?

by DayOner on May 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

d279 said:
"you talked about Love....no offence again,and I am going to sound racist but we don't need any more big white boys who cant jump.I want some big brother with a shit load of tatoos to park some butts on the floor and be a welcoming committee to anyone thinking of driving to the basket....there I said it !!!everybody thinks it but are too scared to say it. "

I'm pretty sure that "everybody" doesn't think that way and it's sad that people still think this way...

As an aside, have you ever seen Love play?

by The HQ Associate on May 31, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup,it didn't take long for the ...not everybody thinks like you.
I knew when I wrote that I would generate some response from a bleeding heart.
Hq,can you make me a list of the 10 toughest lock down defenders who don't take any crap.
I would be interested to see who would make that list & how many of them have rings.
Yes its all about the ring,you may be content at making the playoffs with a less than 500 record but I'm not.
The only way thats going to change is that we have to toughen up,we've been saying all along that we are too soft.
Did I see Love play ? I must of missed him in the finals !!!!my point.tks
How many points did Kobe score against us two years ago ? Do you think think that would of happened with Oakley and Davis greeting him...never
We had personality back then,yes Bosh is the man,but we need someone perhaps like someone already posted like an Artest who is a few bricks short of a full load.

by d279 on May 31, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

First (and probably last) time I've ever been called a bleeding heart...

I find it difficult to see your point re: Love. Yes, you didn't see him in the finals. Not sure how that makes your point.

What makes it even more baffling is that, just yesterday, you were the same person looking for the Raps to take Roy Hibbert. Roy $%$^$ HIBBERT!?!?

Come on now. You get on Love for being a "big white boy who can't jump", yet get all giddy about the possibility of the Raptors drafting Roy Hibbert, a big guy who can't jump!

Furthermore, Love is so much more NBA-ready right now than Hibbert EVER will be, yet your point is that BC should be targetting NBA-ready players.

The Raps need to toughen up. I led that bandwagon last season. Hibbert isn't the answer to your problems. LBJ is licking his chops thinking about dunking on Hibbert, the definition of a "welcoming committee to anyone thinking of driving to the basket"

The guy that would be a great fit is Joey Dorsey but let's not even chat about him until BC gets a second rounder....

by The HQ Associate on May 31, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed with several posters here: enough projects, get someone who can help us NOW.

So, forget about trading down, lets trade the pick outright for a seasoned vet who can come in and show us a proven quality.

How did Joey get a contract anyway? BC screwed up on that, for sure. And why waste bench space on Baston, give him a million, and then not play all season? That was the best we could do??

No more filler. We need bodies and skills to compete in the East.

by gerry on May 31, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

d279 says: "I am going to sound racist but we don't need any more big white boys who cant jump.I want some big brother with a shit load of tatoos to park some butts on the floor"

Is this comment purely about Kevin Love, or are we still on the all white boys are unathletic 7 footers or skinny three point shooters? Gasol and Ginobli can legitimately be described as fairly athletic, no?
As for toughness, why does he have to be black? Laimbeer was pretty tough, no, and did the things you're looking for.
White, black, American, European, who cares? The Lakers look pretty good with their international corps, both white and black. As for Tats, the inked-up Nuggets went down like a bunch of wimps, so I don't see how paint equals power. Especially nowadays when everybody seems to have them.
I agree we need toughness and athleticism, I think most people on this forum do, but I really don't care what skin tone they have.

by Tim on May 31, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Tim,points well taken.

by d279 on May 31, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Tinman,
The Celtics will lose b/c they'll get even to the worse treatment of the two teams by the referees. KG did get to draw fouls on the offensive end that weren't called when he was playing defence. Odd to see Wallace have a legitimate beef with the refs. Could not have happened to a nicer guy.

Unlike some others, I don't think you draft for someone for this year unless you pick high. And I do not buy the line about Toronto being young team. We are not that young and the youth we have, save Bargnani, don't have much more potential upside. We need to look at some upside in the draft and be willing to play it or wait on it.

Does anyone have a progress report on our second rounder from last year? The Greek kid, Princzes (spelled horribly, I'm sure).

by EaseMyPain on May 31, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

This is not a particularly good update, but I saw Princzes (spelled horribly, I'm sure) play on TV a month or so ago. He looked like a role player on the team. Solid, but not a scorer. He played hard, didnt score alot, but was on the floor for many of the minutes. His handles didnt look particularly good. An ok - decent rebounder. Thats about the only update I can give. It was only 1 game, and Im not great at analyzing what players are good at.

by Scott on Jun 1, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

a little off topic but one player i'd love the raptors to try out is denham brown. according to wiki he's playing in italy right now, he did pretty well from what i saw in international comp

by gottywhat on Jun 1, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey. I was not a child prodigy, because a child prodigy is a child who knows as much when it is a child as it does when it grows up.
I am from Vatican and learning to read in English, give true I wrote the following sentence: "Items are in excellent condition before shipment, insyallah."

Regards :-D Kishi.

by Kishi on Aug 23, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

How are you. You can tell a lot about a fellow's character by his way of eating jellybeans.
I am from Lanka and also am speaking English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Ortho-mcneil celebrated competitive million companies in implementation to cygnus."

Best regards :(, Sheena.

by Sheena on Sep 2, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

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