Trading Up

by RaptorsHQ - Archives on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT in NBA Draft

Beasley for Jose? Franchise says keep dreamin'...

Back when I was a summer student working for the Government, one of the most common phrases people used was "hurry up and wait." It sort of described the atmosphere at times where decisions needed to be made, but red tape was preventing this from occurring. So at times, you were anxious for something to happen…but were simply in a holding pattern for the time being.

Such is the case with the NBA draft at present.

The playoffs are still in full swing, workouts don’t kick off for about another week, the Raptors’ braintrust is off to Orlando for the annual pre-draft camp starting today and the rumour mill, while running full speed ahead, is still just that, rumour and innuendo.

However an interesting little blurb from good ol’ hoopshype.com’s rumour section caught my attention yesterday morning. It was a piece from the South Florida Sentinel Sun that stated:

"Keep in mind nothing can be done with sign-and-trade transactions until July 9, the start of the free-agency signing period.

So for the talk coming out of Toronto about the Raptors possibly interested in the Heat's No. 2 pick for a package that includes restricted free-agent guard Jose Calderon, it would require the Heat first to pick for the Raptors and then a leap of faith that Calderon would, two weeks later, agree to a contract and deal to Miami."

My initial reaction was "woah, where did this supposed talk out of Toronto come from?" I mean, I don’t think anyone’s heard any rumours about Calderon being dealt at all and aside from my recent pot-stirring on the topic, I think the assumption has been that Ford will be the one shown the door.

However after my initial surprise, my second reaction was more along the lines of "hmmm…could Toronto ACTUALLY put together some sort of package to snag the 2nd pick from Miami?"

As visions of Michael Beasley danced through my head, I thought now might be an interesting time to touch on this topic. There has been lots of talk about who the Raptors should take at 17, but who would they take if they drafted from one of the top spots, or even a slightly higher position?

I guess to answer that question we should discuss why Toronto would have any interest in moving up to begin with. I think for Colangelo to look to move up, he would have to be extremely keen on a certain prospect. We’ve seen in the past that BC has targeted certain players in the draft (Marcus Williams in 2006) so it’s not out of the question that he once again has his eyes on someone. But who would that be? Let’s take a look at the current consensus top 10 picks, in no exact order, based on a sample of most mock drafts done by NBA.com:

1. Michael Beasley – At first glance trading up for Beasley doesn’t seem to make much sense. He’s a 4, and the Raptors already have one of the best in the league in Chris Bosh. But the reality is that Beasley plays a lot more like Carmello Anthony than Bosh. Beasley is an extremely skilled 3 who can score like a 2 and post-up like a 4. I’d argue that Beasley already has a better back-to-the-basket game than CB4, and considering Toronto’s issues on the glass and in the paint, would be the perfect complement to the Raptors’ franchise piece. However in reality, I just can’t see any team that takes a talent like Beasley moving him, and therefore the chances I’ll be able to rock my black number 30 K State jersey to the ACC next year are very slim…as in the one or two times next year the team who drafts him plays in Toronto.

2. Derrick Rose – Dealing up for Rose is probably the least likely scenario of any. Toronto has one starting point guard too many at present so unless BC has a secret crush on Rose that none of us know about, I think it’s pretty safe to say this one’s out.

3. Brook Lopez – I’m not sure Lopez makes much more sense than either of the first two options. Yes, he’s probably the best offensive big in the draft, but Toronto needs someone in there who can bang and defend next to Bosh. I don’t think this Lopez is the answer, and his bro, a better fit based on need, would be available for much cheaper later on in the draft.

4. Jerryd Bayless – After Rose, I think Bayless makes the least amount of sense for the Raptors to try and move up to acquire. Yes Toronto could use someone of Bayless’ scoring prowess but I think as fans we’d much rather have it arrive in the form of a 6-7, 6-8 swingman than a 6-3 shooting guard.

5. OJ Mayo – Mayo has been getting rave reviews of late for his workouts and draft prep but can you really see Toronto moving up to grab him? Neither can I. He would be a great scoring threat at the 2 for sure, and is an upgrade over Bayless in terms of point guard mentality and NBA size at 6-5, but unless Jose is going somewhere via trade, this is another quasi-point guard that doesn’t seem to be a great fit for Toronto.

6. Eric Gordon – And speaking of non-fits, hello Eric Gordon. Gordon is my least favourite of any of the top 10 we have listed here and while he can score, I just don’t see why BC would look to move up to draft him.

7. Danilo Gallinari – Now things get interesting. Gallinari is a 6-9 swingman who I’m sure the Raptors have scouted extensively. He’s drawn comparisons to Detlef Schrempf, Hedo Turkoglu and Mike Dunleavy Jr, and will certainly be linked to the Raptors via trade rumours before all is said and done simply because of his background and origin. I haven’t seen him play, so it’s hard for me to say he’s that missing piece at the 3 Toronto needs, but this is the first player in the top 10 that I could realistically see Colangelo looking to move up to obtain. BC has a wealth of knowledge at his disposal concerning Danilo so may know a lot more than many other GM’s about the young Italian’s upside.

8. Kevin Love – Love is the second player I could see BC making a play for. Love has already slimmed down since UCLA, has the toughness and rebounding ability that Toronto sorely needs, and with such a soft touch around the rim he’d be a nice fit next to Chris Bosh. Yes, he’s perhaps undersized and not the greatest athlete, but paired next to Bosh I’m not sure it would matter as the 4-5 spots would essentially be interchangeable and a tough match-up for teams on the inside and out.

9. Anthony Randolph – Of the top 10 we’ve listed, Randolph is the only NCAA player I failed to get to see play last season. LSU had a rough year and without much national television coverage, Randolph fell under the radar to start the season. However he put together a solid campaign for himself and is one of the players sporting the most upside in the draft. Would BC look to make a play for him? That’s a tough question. Comparisons to Rudy Gay and Tayshaun Prince will have fans licking their lips and he’s definitely one of the best athletes in this year’s class. But is he really a 3? Randolph has also been compared to Chris Bosh incidentally so there’s some question as to which positions he’ll fit into in the league. To top it off, he’s not exactly a proven commodity so in the end, this is another player I can’t see the Legomaster looking to move up to take a flyer on.

10. Russell Westbrook – The final player in our top 10, Westbrook makes some sense to jump up to obtain. First of all, he’s not exactly a lock to go this high so perhaps Toronto could make a small swap of say 17 and someone for Westbrook should he fall to 12 or 13. Second, while he’s not exactly your pass-first point guard type, the success of athletic 1-2’s like Rajon Rondo and Monta Ellis might make him a desirable commodity come draft time, especially for a team like the Raptors. And finally, if BC is looking to move TJ Ford, I can’t think of a better back-up situation for Toronto considering the price.

Now having examined those players, are there any others who could foreseeably sneak into the top 10? And if so, would Toronto look to move up to acquire any of them?

Perhaps Darrell Arthur or DJ Augustin could find themselves in the top 10, but I can’t fathom why the Raptors would covet either except as trade bait for other interested parties. The only other player who fans might see in the top 10 in the end I think is DeAndre Jordan, simply based on his size and that magic word, "upside." But could I see Colangelo taking a project that will probably need to about three years to develop if he develops at all? I can’t right now and I think that represents a good rule of thumb with regards to the Raps this draft. They Dinos aren’t in rebuilding mode. They’re not in "we just need to tinker with the roster a bit to get back to the finals" mode either. So I think if Colangelo keeps his draft pick, it will be because he’s found someone who he believes can come in and help this club immediately in some capacity.

Westbrook would make a lot of sense as a back-up 1/2...especially if TJ was gone...

That’s why of all the top 10 picks we listed, guys like Love and Westbrook make sense because the possess specific skills sets that Toronto currently lacks. These are guys who might not be the most glamorous of choices, but they would be able to contribute starting next season to the team’s bottom line.

However I think these two are the exception instead of the rule and I believe that once the workout lists are released to the media, we’ll see plenty more invites to guys like Brandon Rush and Courtney Lee than the Mayo’s and Bayless’ of the draft. Right now to me, there just doesn’t seem to be much enticement for Toronto to look to get into the top 10 or lottery unless a team like Miami or Chicago really is willing to trade their top pick for someone like Jose. I like Jose, but I think Toronto would be crazy not to move him for Beasley or Rose if the opportunity presented itself. And from the Miami or Chicago side of things, considering that both Beasley and Rose would be great fits for their respective clubs no matter how the chips may fall, I’m not sure why either team would prefer Jose or a package that included him.

And unless clubs like the Clippers, Sonics or Knicks get real desperate for TJ Ford, assuming Jose stays with Toronto, then I’d say that as fans we can forget about jumping into that upper draft stratosphere.

For me, the most viable scenario in which we would see Toronto trading up is the one described earlier, a small flip in draft selections with teams drafting just ahead of the Raps. Of the lottery teams, Portland, Sacramento and Golden State make the most sense as trading partners. The Blazers are looking to add experience, not more youth, the Kings have needs at the point, an area Toronto can help address, and Golden State needs keep their salary situation in order with players like Baron Davis, Andris Biedrins and Monta Ellis up for new deals.

In fact, as Howland mentioned to me the other day, Golden State could be a very interesting potential trade partner for the Raptors if Baron Davis opts out of his contract and looks to play elsewhere. All of a sudden, TJ Ford looks like a pretty good fit for the Warriors, especially considering his coach would be Mad Scientist Nelson, the same coach who last season referred to Ford as a Steve Nash clone. In terms of trading up, Toronto could perhaps kill two birds with one stone by shipping Ford out to Oakland while grabbing an excellent change of pace back-up for Calderon in Westbrook. Or maybe the Blazers decide to package their pick in exchange for some point guard help?

At this point of course anything is possible but I think it’s quite safe to say that if Toronto does jump up from the seventeenth spot, it won’t be into the top 10.

But trading down of course is another topic altogether…and something we’ll be discussing later this week…

FRANCHISE

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My fiance thinks I am crazy for continually checking the site this long after the Raps were eliminated, but you guys always come through with more brain fodder. Many thanks.

by Branden on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

I like the GS scenario, but I would also love to see Bellinelli in the deal.

He's not being used at all over there and could be grabbed fairly cheap right now.

Another Italian presence might just help the Barnyard as a bonus.

by sharpy on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

WOW! every time i read another article from you guys I get more and more excited for the offseason!!!

by Paul on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

I'm really suprised at all the positive feedback Westbrook is recieving. I don't think the guy will be able to play the PG spot at the nba level.

A guy I would actually like to see if OJ Mayo however I'm not sure what it will cost us to get him. I think he could play the pg spot just as well if not better than Westbrook. Plus he actually has very good size and strength for the 2 guard spot. He could tun out to be a poor mans D-Wade minus all the injuries. Not to mention he is a great defender, I don't think anyone defended Rose as well as Mayo did.

The key will be finding a trading partner to get a pick because Mayo could go as high as 3 and probably won't go any lower than 7.

If you guys don't like Mayo then i doubt you'll like these trades but I thought I'd share anyway:

No secret that the Sonics want a start PG.

TJ Ford, 17th Pick for Luke Ridnour and 4th pick.

Or with Memphis if we went:

Rasho and Andrea for Darko and the 5th overall pick.

by wtf on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

agree golden state's pick might be had. that's as high as we need. puts us in better position to select from the group of wings making up the mid-first rd.

not sure westbrook has shown anything like ellis mentally or skills-wise. ellis was a trigger happy scorer. westbrook was a wide receiver for love. so his upside is doubtful in my mind and we have roko to come over.

love could fit but the cost to get him and our current lack of talent makes me super hesitant to gamble on him.

gallinari only interests me if we're swapping bargs for him. and i'd rather gamble on bargs.

by dilroscoe on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

wtf are you thinking (punctuate to suit)? Darko? I'm seeing AI in his famous practice clip but substitute Darko for practice and you get a sence of my disdain for the Serbian Kandi.
Darko has less game than Primoz. Why on earth would you want him on the Raps?

by ZoneD on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

franchise..thers no way i would trade tj ford (or calderone for that matter) for a back up point gaurd (westbrook)..why would you do that...you have two starting calibre pg's...it only makes sense when trading 1 of the 2 pg's to ask for a starter in return..preferably a wing
as for the draft..i think ppl are putting to big of an emphasis on need or weather or not the player is a good "fit"....taking the best player availble is usually the best way to go...remember what happend the last time we drafted on need in 04...i would gladly take a player like eric gordon..he excelles at creating his own shot and getting to the rim...he has the physical tools to be a great defnder, plus he's young..he's only a freshmen..i think he has star potential ...i like oj mayo too..i think both of those players are good enough to start on an nba team

by Kwame on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

ZoneD:

Interesting point. However a lot of people are supporting Bargnani saying give him time he'll get better.

And lots of people are bashing Darko.

However they are the exact same age. If Bargnani still has plenty of time to develop like a lot of fans are saying (Myself included) why doesn't darko?

Also in the same time

Darko gave: 7 points 6 rebounds 1 assist and 1.5 blocks while shooting 44% from the field.

Bargs gave: 10.5 points 3.5 rebounds, 1 assist and half a block but shot 39% from the field.

So basically you have two guys who are pretty much the same. Although Andrea is a better outside shooter Darko is a better rebounder and shot blocker.

Many people in the association seem to still be high on Andrea and consider Darko a bust....even though they are the exact same age and you could argue that darko put up slightly better numbers.

So if the Raps could use that to their advantage and trade basically Rasho who will provide defense, toughness and a solid vet presence for all the young guys for a top 5 pick (OJ Mayo is the guy i would want since we won't get one of the big 2).

And if you guys do believe that Darko is no better than Primoz....could you please tell me why you guys think andrea is better than primoz?

by wtf on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

wtf...same time? darko has been in the league for six seasons, bargs two.
memphis needs to make a splash. rasho and bargs aren't. they're considering swapping picks with minnesota to move up and get lopez.
mayo wants to be a pg like deron. so unless we ship calderon, why invite another pg controversy?

by dileroscoe on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Couple points:

Mayo can want to be like whomever he wants....everyone wants to be a PG not everyone is cut out for it. I don't think he will be able to play the 1 spot full time and will be much better at the 2 spot.

I don't think I ever said same time. I believe I said same age. Both are 22 years old.

If Andrea had come at 18 do you think he would have been any more productive than Darko? Guys don't hit their prime until like 28 and Darko and Andrea both have 6 years until they get there.

by wtf on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

wtf Darko has been in the league for 4 years..even though he is the same age a Andrea he should be way ahead of where he is right now, with 4 years in the leage Andrea will be way better that Darko...Franchise I have to disagree with you on Eric Gordon he is a proven scorer is not afraid to go to the hoop, is very athletic, he was the best player on the Indiana last season and would make an excellent 3 for the Raps...But to get him the Raps would have to trade up with NYK which is not bad if we could send them TJ and our 17 pick for Eddie Curry and their 5th pick. That would take care of our rebounding bigman concern and add a scorer as well.......raps4life

by Raps4Life on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Eric Gordon cant play the 3 when he is only 6-2 and Eddy Curry has absolutely terrible rebounding numbers. No chance we ever take either of them.

by Realist on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Darko didn't play his first 3 years in the league and if Andrea had been in the NBA at 18 his career would be no different than Darko's is now. But I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Rap4Life I'm guessing you meant Eric Gordon could be a third option because he's short for a sg now way he can play the sf position.

Eddy Curry is a terrible player. He is a talented scorer in the post but thats it. He has no idea how to pass out of the post, can't play defence, can't shoot, can't rebound, can't block shots and can't run.....and he has a terrible contract.

by wtf on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

my bad saying darko played 6 seasons when it's only 5.

wtf: i don't agree with you but respect your opinions.

by dileroscoe on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

I agree, that there wont be a big trade up. There is no one there who we should covet. The only 3 players I would consider are Mayo, Beasly, and Rose...but two of them are already pg, which is a position of strength.

There is no way Miami is dealing the 2nd pick to go into a win now mode. WIth Wade who is young, they should be building a strong core with him, and they WONT let rose or beasly go.

There is not much point in moving up in this draft, maybe moving up or down a few spaces to get a certain target player, but thats about it.

by Scott on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Just out of curiosity how many people here think the Bosh and Andrea experiment will work? I've heard a lot of people bash and support Andrea but not to many people have said whether or not Bosh and Andrea will work together.

I for one don't. However I still believe strongly that Andrea could be a very very good player in the league. However I just don't think he is the type of player the raps need at the center position.

If we had Al Jefferson or Dwight Howard instead of Bosh then I'd love to have Andrea.

In regards to the draft: I always thought of Mayo as more of a shooting guard than a point. I could see him being like a Wade or Randy Foye who could handle the ball and play back up point....but not the guy you would want being your pg.

The guy put up 20 points and 3 assists a game this year. Those numbers really resemble more of a 2 guard and not a point guard.

by wtf on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Paul, Branden - Thanks for the props. Last summer we managed to get through it with no draft picks so hopefully this one will be even better ha ha...

Sharpy - Thought about throwing out an actual trade scenario including Bel but 75% of GState's roster at this point are up for new deals...so I think we'll have to wait till closer to July 1 before doing much speculation on that front. That being said, since Marco isn't being used in GState, I'd welcome him as part of a package here to Toronto.

Dileroscoe - I think Westbrook has just as an aggressive mentality as Ellis...and will be able to make an impact sooner. He's an incredible athlete, and while perhaps not the scorer Ellis is, he's a better defender, something Toronto could really use if they move Ford. It all depends on your position with TJ. If you feel that Jose should stay, then you need someone who can back him up and guard on the ball. Westbrook might be the best on-the-ball defender in this draft, not to mention at his position.

That being said - Kwame - Westbrook may be a back-up for starters...but the hope would be that he'd be able to play both the 1 and 2 later on and start at either spot. Plus this gives the team some more insurance until Roko comes over...and if he doesn't pan out.

Finally - Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Mayo if he fell to Toronto or the Raps had an opp to get him for cheap. But like my breakdown said, I just don't think he, the Beast or Rose are going anywhere.

As for Gordon...I'm just not sure he's a winner. He put up good stats at Indiana, but for those who watched him in key games, he had some of the worst shot selection in the NCAA and didn't seem to lead his club. To me he's a slightly bigger and more talented version of Ben Gordon. Yes, nothing to shy away from if he dropped to 17...but to trade up for him? No thanks.

by Franchise on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

wtf...i fully agree with what you said..i don't think this bosh-andrea front court is gonna work...im not even fully convinced that adrea's gonna be good enough to start in this league...he has ALOT to work on before that happens..coming in he was billed as a verstile offensive player..but hes basically a jump shooting big man who can't shoot..when he drives hes outta control, and can only go right..he has little to no post game...and i'm not even gonna mention his defense and rebounding...i see his talent though, he has good court vision, hes long, and he has a quick first step..but he has alot areas he needs to drastically improve on, and i'm doubtful that he can do that... i hope he proves me wrong though...we'll see what happens next year

by Kwame on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

after watching lakers tonight, the odom-gasol tandem is exactly what we want to see out of bosh and bargnani
a) yes
b) yes

by axl on May 27, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

What about the big boy from Georgetown 7.2 looks like a man already ,no need to fill out ,this guy is a truck,he would sure help Bosh,...it could give us options with Rasho and we can stick Bargs where he belongs.Talk about going big,Bosh,Bargs,Hebert !!!! B.C. would only have to swap TJ for a sound slasher type player,that may still be Delfino ?...all this time and possible options is drivng me nuts !!!

by d279 on May 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

I think Hibbert will be a bust. He was unable to dominate despite being older and bigger than everyone else.

Bosh and Paul are pretty even and I think Bosh will be a better player when he reaches that age.

However will Andrea ever be able to be as good as lamar odom?

Lets say he does.....it just shows how hard it is to become a championship contender because we would still have to add the leagues best player before we could become a championship caliber team.....

by wtf on May 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

As many of you know Franchise and I have been debating the PG situation at length.

Looks like it's a hot topic of conversation in Orlando now where BC has essentially called Calderon untouchable, while Chad Ford is reporting that Ford is garnering interest from a variety of teams.

Don't be surprised if a deal with Ford is in the making over the next few days.

by HOWLAND on May 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

I was thinking bosh needs to take on Odom's agressive, driving face-up role, while bargs needs to play under the hoop like gasol, using his height and quickness. But the passing between the two is what I'd really like to see.

by axl on May 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Long term, I think that a Bosh Bargnani combo can work, but it will depend on how well they are able to work together on the defensive side of the ball.

Ideally, I'd like to see that mythical shot creating wing, and have them be our leading scorer. Then we'd have Andrea playing sound positional defense at center, posting up mismatches, or dragging true centers away from the basket with his long range shooting.

In this scenario, I'd like to see Bosh take some emphasis off scoring, and spend some time roaming around the paint looking to alter/block shots.

However, ever since we drafted Bosh, my wishlist has included having a "heavy" capable of boxing out multiple players, and crashing the offensive boards alone.

Bosh is a skinny guy, and a little preventative maintenance could go a long way in determining how long his prime years last.
(And considering how excited he was after the trade for Rasho, its an issue he's keenly aware of)

Perhaps a compromise would be getting a third big man along the lines of that Australian centre Nathan Jawai. And set the rotation to minimize the amount of time Bargs and Bosh are on the court at the same time.

by yardly on May 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Howland:
TJ Ford cannot be traded untill June 30th, after the draft because of his contract.

by Johnn19 on May 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Johnn19 -

Sorry, I should have been more clear, the foundations of a deal could be in place. No a league approved transaction.

by HOWLAND on May 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Hey Franchise,
I'm not sure about trading up in the draft but, I think that the Raptors could hold on to the pick. Hibbert should have come out last year, but I think the Raptors could still take a chance with the 7-2 centre. At this point, there is no one around that can match him height for height. Although, I don't know if Mitchell will be able to mold him into a decent power player.
As for the trading scenerios: I'll put it out there and tell me what you guys think. I would like to see Ron Artest in a Raptors uniform. I know that he is a mental case, but that is exactly what the Raptors need. The plus side is that he brings raw grittyness and intensity that the Raptors badly need. I can't say enough about his defense. As for what the Kings need: is a point guard that can get the team moving. TJ would fit into that system perfectly. His game is more suited for a full-court, free-wheeling offense. Kevin Martin and TJ would be a good tandem for the Kings. I see it as a win-win trade for both teams. Even their contracts match... I believe TJ is getting $50,000 more (which is nothing by NBA standards).

by DeeTruth on May 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

If Bargs develops a back to the basket game, I could totally see the two of them playing well together. Bargs has a pretty unique skill set that is tough to match up against (Gasol is a prime example of this) except that Bargs can shoot from long range. Then if we can pick up a slashing wing that can create for himself.....

One of the reasons I really wanted D'Antoni to come to the Raps is because of the way he would use Amare. Bosh stands still waiting for the pass allowing his player to get set and into position. Amare floats around all over the place forcing his player to chase him around. Once Nash would penetrate into the paint, Stoudemire would loop around and drive to the hoop, receive the quick pass while driving and either score on a dunk or get fouled. This guy has a ridiculous amount of easy dunks each game...just my thoughts.

by Assistant GM on May 28, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

I think Kevin Love is the guy BC will attempt to move up for. Like Franchise said, he brings toughness, a great attitude, and a varied skillset...all of the things Bryan Colangelo likes in a player. Love just seems like a BC type player.

For me, if we move up we will be targeting either O.J. Mayo or Kevin Love...if we stay at 17th, I think we take Nicolas Batum.

by Davis on May 29, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

yah good call davis, I think it was... about a year ago batum was ranked higher than he is now, does anybody know what happened between then and now? (i saw it on nbadraft.net)

by gottywhat on Jun 1, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions