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This must seem like decades ago for Pat Riley right now...

This must seem like decades ago for Pat Riley right now...

Lacing Them Up –

Pat Riley categorized the Toronto Raptors’ play as "a wonderful sense of desperation."

I’d say it was a combination of that, and one of the biggest "mailing it in" performances I’ve ever seen, courtesy of the Miami Heat, as the Raps took it to the South Beach residents in a 108 to 83 win.

For all the woes we discussed lately with the Raptors, Sam Mitchell did make a good point post-game. In the losses, the team generally played horribly in one particular area. In Indiana it was the perimeter defense, against the Bobcats – rebounding, and in Orlando, they couldn’t buy a basket.

Now contrast that with the Miami Heat. It’s insane that a team featuring Marion, Wade, Williams, Ricky Davis and Mark Blount isn’t at least SLIGHTLY competitive! You forget these things as a Raptors’ fan when you see your team lose some frustrating matches.

But last night really put things into perspective.

Listening to Pat Riley post game just made things hit home even harder. Can you even imagine how many psychiatrist visits he’s currently making so as not to lose it? Post-game he offered to refund Heat season ticket holders for his team’s complete lack of effort and I really had to feel sorry for a man viewed as one of the greatest motivators in the history of the game. It really speaks volumes about how important it is to have certain types of players on your team. We’ve seen that this year in both Boston and New Orleans where previously much-maligned coaches are suddenly in the running for Coach of the Year honours. As Sam Mitchell pointed out last year when he brought his team in to accept the award with him, every coach in the NBA knows that you might have all the skills and tactics in the world, but if you don’t have the talent it doesn’t mean a thing. Chris Paul, David West, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett…these guys have as much to do with their respective head coaches’ chances of winning the award than the coaches themselves.

I mean, what do you even do if you are Miami?

Riley threatened to clean house post-game and it looks like he’ll have a chance with all the expiring contracts he has. But as I mentioned to Howland this morning, Miami is going to need to somehow draft Beasley, Gordon, Jordan and Rose to have any chance to completely turn things around. And considering the chances of that occurring, you’ve gotta wonder how long Pat Riley (and Dwyane Wade and Shawn Marion for that matter) will stick around during the rebuild.

On the Raptors’ side, it was a complete game from the team with some excellent play from the usual suspects – Parker and Calderon, and some great contributions from unlikely sources – Nesterovic and Moon.

Let’s take a deeper look into this blow-out.

A Numbers Game – 20

This was the number of turnovers the Heat had in the game. Toronto in contrast had but nine. If you were looking for a good indicator that Miami was mailing it in, look no further than this stat. In last night’s game I saw some of the worst passes and decisions made with the ball and virtually no effort to correct mistakes on rotations.

In fact forget the other stats from the game, someone should have had a stopwatch running on the amount of time Toronto had to hoist up shots at times. Carlos Delfino missed an open 3 from the corner on one occasion but he rushed into his shot. What he didn’t realize was that he would have had time for someone to pass him a deflated ball and for him to blow it up and proceed to shoot it before a defender came to contest. I swear at times the Raps had a good five seconds to catch and shoot, completely unacceptable if you are a Heat fan.

The Turning Point –

There wasn’t much of a turning point in this game either. Toronto came out firing and raced out to a 29 to 17 lead. At one point Miami was stuck at eight points for what seemed like an eternity, while the Raptors reeled off about 20 straight. This one was over before the ball was thrown up and a note to all lottery bound teams – if you’re looking to tank the season for a top pick, you better hope you’re not playing Miami in your remaining schedule. It’s pretty hard to play with less effort than they are showing right now.

Temperature Check –

Hot – Rasho Nesterovic. Let’s give Rasho some love. He’s been playing his ass off the last few games and for that matter, has always done so since becoming a Raptor. He doesn’t have the softest touch around the rim, the prettiest jump shot or biggest vertical leap – but he gets the job done. While his contract is going to be attractive come the off-season and next year for teams looking to get under the cap, I worry about dealing him away without a suitable replacement. Neither Hump nor Bargs can do the little things he does (especially on the defensive end) at this point and it might be interesting to see if Colangelo can talk Rasho into opting out of next year’s deal, for a smaller but longer-term contract thus ensuring job security. Something a little more than what Hump is getting right now for the next three seasons wouldn’t be too bad an idea in my books if I was BC.

Rasho is no longer a youthful T-Wolve - but he's still getting the job done as a Raptor...
Rasho is no longer a youthful T-Wolve - but he's still getting the job done as a Raptor...

Hot – Anthony Parker. Here’s another guy who doesn’t usually get enough love from us. Bosh, Jose and sometimes Ford, Delfino or Bargs get all the love but AP has been Toronto’s best player over the past week and a half. Last night he scored 12 points, grabbed five rebounds, dished out three assists and hit half his shots from the field while doing a great job on Dwyane Wade defensively. Parker really is a "second semester" type player and I’m excited to see him in top gear when CB4 returns. Unfortunately word out of the Raps’ camp today in that regard is that Bosh is no better so Parker may have to help carry the team offensively for the next little while.

Lukewarm – Jamario Moon. A lot of praise was heaped on Moon last night and he was seen by many as one of the game MVP’s. I’m not going to go that far. I thought Moon did a solid job on Shawn Marion, hit his open looks, and was active blocking shots and filling up the scorecard for his fantasy owners. However he still needs to be more aggressive going to the rim, and really, I’m not sure guarding a Nash-less Marion (more on this in a moment) is the same as locking down a Maggette, Ginobili, Kobe, Richardson…etc etc. I liked what I saw from Moon, but some of those sweeping blocks are going to be called fouls when he’s up against the Lebrons and Pierce’s.

Lukewarm – TJ Ford. A day after we got down and dirty about Ford and his future, he turns in an ok performance in the win last night. A few nice drives and dishes, some still questionable shots, and really, a somewhat surly demeanour was the result. The Star’s Dave Feschuk provided an interesting article this morning which may explain his recent play, and it’s not something Raptor fans are going to want to read about.

It’s hard not to read too much into the story of a meeting between Ford and some of the up and ups of the organization, because his "personal issues" may have nothing to do with basketball. But if they are ball related, Feschuk’s piece seems to give even more amo to my argument yesterday that Ford is either going to have to accept his new role and style of play, or find a new home. Whatever the case, it’s extremely disappointing considering that he and Jose do make a great tag-team on the court due to their different skill sets. I guess for now though we’ll just have to see how this plays out, and hopefully it’s not to the team’s detriment.

Lukewarm – Andrea Bargnani. First of all, I’m really glad that the tumble Bargs took didn’t result in a serious injury. At first glance, it looked a bit like TJ Ford part II…until I could swear I saw Andrea on the ground rubbing his head saying: "my hair, my hair!" Not to lessen the impact of the situation though, seeing Bargnani then get up and knock down both free throws was a great sign after a scary fall. I’m guessing Alexander Johnson gets suspended for a game ala Dirk for the hit and really, what was the point? It’s not like the Heat a) are fighting for their playoff lives or b) were trying to put out an on fire Il Mago.

Offensively Bargs did play a decent game though and was aggressive looking for his shot and going to the rim. My only worry is that this fall doesn’t stunt the growth he’s made in that "aggression" area.

Cold – Shawn Marion and the Phoenix Suns. I’ve been wanting to talk about this for a while, but haven’t really had the correct forum. Does anyone beside me think that the Shaq trade was a terrible deal for everyone involved except the Miami Heat? At worst, the Heat rent Marion for the season and when he opts out, they have cap space to chase some of the other marquee free agents next year. Miami is no Milwaukee, players will want to head to South Beach and play with Wade and Riles (regardless of what a recent Sports Illustrated poll suggested) so for Miami, this trade was a no-brainer. They weren’t winning with Shaq, and all he was doing was sinking a flooding ship even faster.

But what about the Suns, Shaq and Marion? First of all, I always thought this deal was incredibly short-sighted for Phoenix. The argument from the Suns personnel was "look, we’re getting Shaq for the playoffs, so give us some time to get it together."

Earth to Steve Kerr and co. What if you don’t MAKE the playoffs? It’s one thing to make this deal if you’re in the East and can lose 12 of your last 17 and still be in sixth place (like Washington.) But it’s entirely another when you’re in the West and a team that wins 50 games might find themselves on the outside looking in come late April! What happens if Phoenix drops to ninth? With Marion you could have argued that the team still had a few years to make its title run, but with Shaq? If the Suns miss the playoffs, is O’Neal really going to have a bigger impact NEXT year?

Furthermore, I’ve watched Phoenix play in six of their eight games since acquiring the Big Diesel and it’s not pretty. The offence just isn’t clicking the way it did with Marion and the defence has been woeful. The Suns were never a defensive stalwart, but they’re currently giving up an average of 112 points per game! To put that into perspective, the worst club in the league in terms of giving up points to opponents is the Warriors, and they’re only at 108! Even if they make the playoffs, that type of D just isn’t going to get it done.

As for Shaq, does he really want to be remembered as the player who instead of buoying Phoenix’s title hopes, knocked them out of the playoffs? It’s too early to tell what will happen, but I just don’t see this deal paying off for anyone…

…especially Marion.

For those who watched the game last night, did you even recognize Marion? Where were the end to end rushes? Where were the high-flying dunks and blocked shots? The Miami fans in attendance were hardly helping matters but without Steve Nash and the Phoenix offense, Marion looked like a shell of his former self. I expected a decline, especially in terms of his scoring, but that was ridiculous. If he opts out of his contract this off-season and thinks he’s going to get a better deal, he should probably join Latrell Spreewell on a yacht somewhere.

Shawn Marion - A perfect example of
Shawn Marion - A perfect example of "be careful what you wish for..."

Moving On –

Apologies again for the late post, this week is a bit of an anomaly between work, schooling and other things. However extra-curricular work aside, the HQ will be watching Toronto’s performance in the next two games with great interest.

First up is the Washington Wizards tomorrow night, a team as previously mentioned, that has fallen on hard times of late. With the exception of a few key wins over the Hornets, Washington is sinking fast and is now in danger of losing the sixth seed to the upstart 76ers, who are only a game and a half back in the standings.

Washington has been missing key players all season and without All-Star Caron Butler, has really faded in the East. This is another easily winnable game for Toronto, Bosh or no Bosh.

Likewise Sunday’s game against the Sonics in Seattle, one that kicks off a five-game West swing, is one which should net the Raptors their 35th win. With games against the Lakers, Nuggets, Warriors, Kings and Jazz looming, it’s crucial to grab as many of these "should wins" as possible.

Otherwise, it’s not impossible that the next time Toronto faces Miami, we’re looking at a Raptor team that suddenly finds itself a game under .500.

FRANCHISE

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Sunday's game against the Sonics is at home, and damn you for reminding me of the game we did play in Seattle.

Oh, and it is sad what has happened to the Suns!

by Neil on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks Neil - yeah, guess talking about a 5 game road trip and naming five West teams AFTER the Seattle game should have clued me in that they play the Sonics at home ha ha...

by Franchise on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Agree with your take on Delfino. I guess if you're correct, Steve Nash's championshio window has closed. I really feel bad for him.

by tfan on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Hey, I posted this on the last post from Francise, but hadn't noticed that the new game re-cap was up. The game last night was pretty boring and work this morning was even more boring, so I came up with some offseason trade scenarios just for shnitz and giggles. All of these deals work with Salary cap and other CBA provisions.

1st trade: Rasho + Garbo to Griz for Mike Miller + Mike Conley + Juan Carlos Navarro. Griz continue to dump salary and it clears up the log jam at point (they already have Lowry and Crittendon). Might not be sweet enough for the Griz without a draft pick or two in there as well.

2nd trade: Brezec + Baston + Roko to Golden State for Marco Bellini + Patrick O'Bryant. Brezec backs up the off. rebound machine that is Andris Biedrins. Baston is another athlete up front and Roko could replace Baron, or at least try to, someday.

Trade 3 (the big one): Ford + Parker + Kapono + Graham + Hump to Pacers for Jermaine O'Neal + Ike Diogu. Ford, Kapono and Hump are the only players on contract beyond next year, the team gets a real point guard to replace the gunslinger Tinsley who also can't stay healthy (let's face it, Diener is good, but he's not starter good). The Pacers also continue to get whiter, which appears to be a goal of theirs, and Parker is a good citizen to add to the lineup, who they might be able to sign to a new contract.

Alright, so none of that might happen, but it could...but probably not. Anyway, here's the lineup after all that goes down.

C - O'Neal, Bargnani, O'Bryant
PF - Bosh, Diogu
SF - Miller, Moon
SG - Delfino, Bellini
PG - Calderone, Conley, Navarro

That's a pretty decent lineup with lots of scoring and O'Neal + Bosh in the middle is a pretty solid defense - I also think O'Neal could stay healthy if he was motivated and his knees aren't as bad as they appear to be.

Anyway, as I said, I was bored this morning at work and started playing around. None of this is likely to happen, but it's something to think about.

by Casey on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Ah, I think it's a home game on Sunday.

You're right, Marion is not a franchise player!

Don't be too hard on Shaq...he's a playoff player, but I like your point...what if they don't make the playoffs?

T.J. and Jose will be fine.

Bargnani is tough! I love it. This can only be good for him...I mean, his head fell from 9 feet and think of the whiplash of a 7 footer!

You've had good stuff lately.

Peace out,
T

by Thomas Enns on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

hey, me again...I just looked at the SI article about the last favourite coach...wasn't Sammy on this list a few years back? It's time of some Sammy props methinks.

by Thomas Enns on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

I posted this on the other thread so I'll copy it here.

Its in regards to the proposed trade and where Jose ranks as a pg.

Couple points:

The griz trade wouldn't work. Conely is part of their core for the future. He's stayed 1 year in college and has already shown he can play at the nba level when healthy. No way does he get traded.

Wouldn't want Jermaine O'neil on my team. He can't stay healthy and doesn't live up to his contract.

I think too many people are getting caught up in the "we need to win now" idea. This team is still rebuilding....give it some time...no point in sacrificing our future for a few more wins.

The only pg's in the league that are better than Calderon:

Chauncy Billups
Tony Parker
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Nash
Baron Davis

I don't think AI is a pg and he certainly wouldn't be the type of pg the raps would want. Notice how there has not been a signigicant drop off in Philly's play and there wasn't the year they traded him...they actually got better with Andre Miller and Joe Smith.

Same thing goes for Gilbert.

I also think Jose has outplayed Jason Kidd and Devin Harris in the first part of the season.

by wtf on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Great title Franchise.

I like watching the Raps blow out a team(especially when its the Nets) but the way the Heat played took alot of the enjoyment out of it.

I could only bare to watch parts of the game, but I think Dwayne Wade's body language said it all. Walking to the bench you'd swear there was a 100lb weight attached to his leg (better then the 325 lb one that got traded to Phoenix , but I digress)

I read Feshuk's story, the last thing the team needs right now is a squeaky wheel.
However, I do think this is one of those situations where while I might not agree with TJ's attitude, I can see where its coming from.

I think its a case of seeing the writing on the wall, "Platoon Over, Jose to Legit to Bench"

I think it'll take time for TJ to get his head around this fact, and realize that often times he'll be leading Joey Graham and the rest of the Garbage Time All-Stars as blowouts wind to a merciful close.

by yardly on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting point about the Suns, never thought about it that way but youre right, talk about rolling them dice. TJ stuff is annoying if he is upset about playing time. Especially considering SMitch has said time and time again that if you play well youll get more time...so far, we havent seen that from Ford.

by fromlongrange on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Ahhh....the worries of millionaires....yawn....

Try some roofing TJ, see if you might complain then.

Seriously, does anybody want to hire a smart ass to do I don't know what.....just something not on a roof? My two business diplomas didn't prepare me for this shit.

by DayOner on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Well Toronto fans TJ, was brought here by Bosh, Sam, Brian and if you think he is going to loose his starting role because he went down. I will guarantee you TJ will be in the starting if not this season definately next season, you guys don't understand the meaning of BB, how many starters goes down and end up not getting his starting rule back, Jose is a good player and we want him in a raptors uniform but not as a starter, he is playing good now because of time and he being the PG in the Raptors camp, if Jose is so good then we will get a better for him if we trade him, we can get a good rebounder that is not afraid of going to the hole.

by Marcia on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Somebody call Guiness, we have the world's longest sentence ever recorded. Just kidding around.

by OJ on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

I am tired of seeing our guys get knocked down with no payback. Where are the plums on this team? If the league learns that a flagrant on Bargnani eqauals a flagrant on Wade, I'll bet Bargnani doesn't get smacked. Can we still sign Oakley?

by EaseMyPain on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

This was the first hit that really bothered me. Miami was on its way to a loss and he made no attempt for the ball. Flagrant. Lack of response from his teammates is embarassing.
Rasho has brought everything advertised and more. Interesting concept reworking his deal - doubt he would give up next years money. He'd have to really love TO.
Want to clarify that I think TJ is a good point with potential for growth but his game needs to mature, and mature a lot! Appreciate what he brings to the team but see him as the 2nd best PG on the team. Sorry.
I just also believe that Calderon, several years older is already there entering the prime of his career. Whoever he signs with next year will be getting an elite PG in his prime years. Disagree with 'zona about who was the better last year.
Miami were disgracfull - Riley should step down, his team looked like quitters out there and he looked like one on the bench.

by Tinman on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Marcia says

Jose is a good player and we want him in a raptors uniform but not as a starter

I don't know who we is(that Marcia constantly refers to) but I want Jose as the teams starter. The team has gone on a losing record since return of TJ

by Davl on Mar 6, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Did anyone read that Feschuk article on Ford today? It contains this line:

"In Tuesday's loss in Orlando [Ford] put on a ball-hogging exhibition that came complete with seven turnovers and a stream of tunnel-vision shot attempts that appeared to increase in frequency when Calderon strode to the scorer's table to check into the game."

Is this an accurate statement, or just another example of trying to drum up controversy? I remember wondering why the heck Sam WASN'T trying to sub in Jose during the Ford meltdown. Was he really waiting to check in while Ford was going off like that?

If you watch The Wire, maybe you'll agree that Feschuk has a bit too much Scott Templeton in him. Then again, maybe I missed something that he saw.

by dsl on Mar 7, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

There is no doubt in my mind that Feschuk is just trying to stir the pot.

I am sure deep down inside TJ wants to be the starter, which is a testament to his competitive nature. But just as Jose played second fiddle in the PG rotation, and never uttered a peep, it is now TJ's turn to be a team player and suck it up. In pro sports it is usually assumed that if a starter gets injured his job is secure when he comes back. This however is not always the case. Tom Brady subbed in for an injured Drew Bledsoe and won the Superbowl for the Pats in his first season.

Now, I am not suggesting that Jose is the next Tom Brady of hoops, but he has had an all-star calibre season.

I do believe that most of us agree on this (save for Marcia). This is also not to suggest that TJ is not a good PG. He obviously brings an element to the table that Jose does not. On the same note, TJ just doesn't have the shooting ability and court vision that has made Jose such a success this year. Let's also not forget the praise that Bosh has been heaping on Jose during TJ's absence. Bosh's improved play this year was because he was playing alongside Jose, who if left alone has the ability to drive to the basket at will. This has led to Jose having to be double-teamed more often, allowing Bosh to have more one-on-one situations.

Yes, Bosh did want TJ to come to the Raptors, but do you think that would have been the case if he had known that Jose would have developed this quickly? Just my thoughts….

by Assistant GM on Mar 7, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

...I just now read Feschuk's article and it's actually not so bad...

by Assistant GM on Mar 7, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

I'll agree that the article jumps to conclusions. Wasn't it last week that TJ stated he was comfortable coming off the bench?

by Tinman on Mar 7, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Feschuk:
And TJ speaks, more than occasionally, in the third person:
"You're smooth, but not as smooth as T. Ford," he was saying to a locker room visitor the other day. "You can't fool T. Ford."

Can't wait til TJ plays Horford again:

"Well, look who's here. That's the guy who sidelined T. Ford. That's the guy who took the bread out of T. Ford's mouth. T. Ford's out of work cuz of you...T.Ford's gonna get you Horford. Hands off T. Ford! Don't touch T. Ford!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0w2xTexfAg

by Tim on Mar 7, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

The article isn't that bad at all. I'm questioning this part of the quote:

"appeared to increase in frequency when Calderon strode to the scorer's table to check into the game."

I realize he's trying to express some sort of opinion, but am wondering if it's based on fact.

As I recall, TJ hit the last shot in the 3rd (after the familiar iso play he always runs). That means that his run went from the last play of the 3rd and continued for a few minutes into the 4th. Was Calderon ever attempting to check into the game during that time? I thought Sam subbed in Jose to play with Ford, but it seemed like that was a while after the meltdown. If so, what exactly did Feschuk see to make him think that Ford got worse when he saw Jose waiting to come in?

It may be a bit of nitpicking, but this is an article in newspaper. I mean, some of it still has to be fact based, right?

by dsl on Mar 7, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Dave Feschuk is a typical Toronto media muck raker, just trying to start a controversey. TJ Ford has stated he accepts the necessity for Calderon to start for the balance of the season, as being best for the team. The most important thing is to WIN. TJ is also a competitor who believes he is the best PG in the NBA, and should be a starting PG, which is natural. Mitchell has determined that the current set-up is best for the TEAM for now.

by Johnn19 on Mar 7, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

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