3 In the Key – Toronto Raptors Game-Day Preview vs. Hornets
Beyond watching the Toronto Raptors play one of their last two above .500 opponents this evening, the game will take on a special significance to me.
It’s the return of Morris Peterson and while it’s not quite KG returning to Minnesota, it’s the return of one of the few long-tenured Raptors who won’t get booed.
I don’t think…
As many of our readers know, Mo Pete has always been my favourite Raptor and while his last season with Toronto wasn’t exactly a tour de force, he still provided the club with many a memory.
He was the consummate professional (ahem, something you should take note of TJ) and I think this example from raptorsforum.com really does a great job illustrating his impact both on and off the court.
My favourite memory?
Tough call as there were too many "Mo Pete Gone Wild" shots to count, including one of the most ridiculous hail-mary’s of all time at Washington’s expense. But his defence and play against Vince Carter last year in the final two play-off games for the Raps probably takes the cake for me.
If you recall, Toronto got blown out in two consecutive games and looked to be sitting ducks in the series. Fans had been calling for changes to the starting line-up since almost day 1 and finally in Game 5 we saw Peterson slotted into the starting five.
He responded by averaging 13 points and nearly 7 rebounds playing 45 minutes in both games, all the while keeping Vince Carter frustrated offensively.
And of course after the fact, it made a bunch of us wonder what would have happened had Mitchell made the moves earlier in the series? Would we have been heading to Cleveland to cheer on the Raps against the Cavs?
Sort of like this year isn’t it?
Would Toronto have approached last year’s win mark with ease had we not been subjected to the forced Andrea starts?
Sure, water under the bridge to a certain extent but it sure doesn’t make me feel that great about Mitchell’s learning curve. I’ve never found Mitchell to be great at countering other coaches’ adjustments and let’s not even get started on rotation decisions.
Sometimes I feel that Mitchell is just too stubborn for his own good.
One of the key traits that I think make for good coaches is adaptability. How quickly can a coach react to an opponent’s advances and adjust accordingly? Could Mitchell integrate Shaq in the Phoenix offence in a mere five weeks like Mike D’Antoni has done?
I think not.
And if Peterson was still a Raptor, would he be relegated to bench time and spot up 3 pointers? Probably…but as we hear from Rohan of At the Hive and Ryan of Hornets 247.com in this week’s edition of "Blogging With the Enemy," even in a new environment Peterson’s being used in a similar manner…and unfortunately producing similar results:
1. RaptorsHQ: As a huge Mo Pete fan, I was sad to see him go but understood that he was no longer part of the club's future. However he seems to play about 20 minutes a night, starting both quarters for New Orleans and provides little in terms of scoring. Can you give us your take on the Mo Pete signing? Has he been worth the money or has he been viewed as a disappointment?
At The Hive: In a season full of superlatives, this is the one aspect that makes me sad. Peterson is one of my favorite players on the team, but the way the Hornets use him is not the way I envisioned it back in the off-season. I was thinking more along the lines of a slashing 2-guard, who could frequently cut to the hoop without the ball (what with all those crazy plays he made with you guys... I'm sure you must remember the headband blindfold lay-up?).
Instead, he's used identical to how we use Peja - get him open from 3 and let him fire. All in all, he is a good three point shooter (38%), and does help space the floor, but I'd much rather see Byron Scott involve him in the offense in different ways. In fairness to him, he's had a couple injuries that threw him off right as he began to find a rhythm once or twice. At this point, I can't say his contract was a bad signing at all. He's got our mid-level exception, which is by definition league average salary, and is on the books for another three years. So there's plenty of time for him to recover nicely; I mean, people were bashing Peja's deal left and right last year, but he's silenced them all this year.
As far as his minutes go - he'd be playing a lot more if it weren't for the emergence of rookie Julian Wright and trade acquisition Bonzi Wells. Both those guys are terrific defenders, and have been contributing well on offense as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Wright ended up being a starter next season, and Mo-Pete had a terrific year off the bench. He's definitely one of those guys you root for no matter where he is.
Hornets 24/7.com: The general consensus on most of the Fan boards is that he's a disappointment. I think all of them looked at that one fantastic year he had in Toronto and assumed he'd be bringing that to the table. Personally, I like what he brings to the table in hustle and defense, and he fits in extremely well with the starting five - spacing the floor and taking on the toughest perimeter assignment.
My only complaint is about his consistency. Either he's hitting everything, or he's hitting nothing. Still, having a guy that doesn't have to suck up possessions and is still willing to do his job is vital to that starting group, which has three capable scorers in Peja, West and Paul that all need their looks.
2. RaptorsHQ: I wanted to take a look at the numbers for David West and Chris Bosh side by side for a second:
-Bosh is averaging 22 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.4 assists and 1 block while shooting 49 per cent from the field and 85 from the line. He's attempted 462 free throws a game.
-West is averaging 20 points, 9.1 rebounds, 2.3 assists and 1 block while shooting 47 per cent from the field and 84 from the line. He's attempted 299 free throws a game.
Besides their ability to get to the line, both are almost neck and neck in every category.
So here's my question - is West overshadowed by Paul's brilliance? Is he one of the most underrated players in the game and one capable of being an equal to Chris Bosh?
At The Hive: Hmm, I'd never seen their stats side by side before - that's pretty interesting. To answer your first question, West is overshadowed by Paul's brilliance, but in many ways, Paul's brilliance is what allows West to play his game well in the first place. But to say West is merely a product of CP's talent (one current go-to line in the MVP debate is "Paul is so good, he made a scrub like David West an All-Star") is to totally ignore West's style of play. West has a highly refined back to the basket game, finishes excellently in traffic, has amazing touch on 17 footers, and executes the drop step and fall-away well. Simply put, those are all skills that would translate well from team to team, regardless of what point guard is running the show. Does he get a few easy looks a night from playing with Paul? Sure. That's only to be expected. But West's offensive game is far less a creation of Paul's skills than is, say, Tyson Chandler's scoring average.
Is he vastly underrated? Of course, and CP being in the center of the MVP conversation only makes him more underrated for the reason I mentioned above. Is he or will he ever be CB4's equal? Now that's a whole 'nother story. Statistically, they might be the same this year, but I think Bosh is a far more athletic forward than West is; that gives him the potential to improve more on the glass, and especially defensively. That said, West has shown a tendency to keep adding new dimensions to his game - in his first couple years, he developed into an aggressive rebounder, then he developed a great touch from anywhere on the floor, and this year especially he's mastered taking it to the rim strong. So the question will be: who decides and puts in the effort to improve their games more? I think Bosh definitely has the higher ceiling to attain, but West could get near that.
Hornets24/7.com: West was an All-star this year, so I have a hard time saying he's underrated. Especially when I think of him as one of those borderline All-stars that may get one or two trips to the game during their career, but will never be a fixture. That said, announcers still get his name wrong all the time, and teams rarely double team him in the post, which is amusing because he can kill people one on one but still hasn't mastered the art of handling a double.
By any statistical measure (PER, Wins Produced, Win Shares, etc) there is a clear separation between Bosh and West. Bosh is just a more efficient player due to FG% and Free Throws. Could West beat Bosh's averages? Sure. Right now he's a second option on his team, and Bosh is the first option. If he got the ball more, he'd probably score more. Can he be more efficient? No, I doubt it. There's a pretty wide gap between the two, and both players are in their fifth years. It would be very unusual for either to make a big improvement going forward.
3. RaptorsHQ: Last question. What are the keys for the Hornets to steal one from Toronto at home?
At The Hive: First up will be rebounding. Before the Boston game (where we grabbed 95% of the available boards on D), New Orleans had been struggling on the glass - something unseen for the team most of the year. I know you alluded to Toronto's struggles on the glass, so this is something the Hornets have to make sure they own. Shots and jumpers not dropping won't be a valid excuse for us to lose this game; every time there's a miss, guys need to be looking for second chance opportunities. Second, and this is obvious, the three point line needs to be guarded at all costs, close outs on shooters need to be made. This was a huge issue in our Friday Boston game, where guys like Eddie House and Ray Allen (!) were getting totally uncontested looks.
That'll be magnified against a three point shooting squad of Toronto's caliber.
Lastly, and this doesn't have to happen for us to win, I'm calling a big game for Chris Paul in this one. Paul has had "rough" games of 21 and 10, and 22 and 10 recently (hey, they really are rough compared to the 15 and 20, 31 and 14, 37 and 13, 27 and 17, and 26 and 17 he's put up in the last ten game stretch (how spoiled are Hornets fans??)) and he has to be looking to bounce back from the Boston defeat. Of course I could be totally wrong, and Jamario Moon could stuff him like a
turkeyagain.
Hornets24/7.com: They need to hit their threes. The Hornets are a consistent defensive team, and their interior scoring is mostly generated by Paul and West, both of whom put up consistent numbers.
When you look at the games the Hornets have lost this year - of the 22
losses the Hornets have suffered, only three have occurred when the Hornets shot better than the league average from 3-point range. Two of those other three were still below the team average from deep. The three-ball is important to them.
They have had a little trouble rebounding recently. I can't tell if it’s a real concern, or just two or three games where things didn't bounce the right way. We'll see.
Thanks to both Rohan and Ryan for the in-depth thoughts on today’s game. Especially interesting were the thoughts on David West vs. Chris Bosh – our first key…
1) West vs. Bosh. I purposely asked both Hornets bloggers their thoughts on West and CB4 because I do think that West is one of the most under-rated players in the NBA. He’s added elements to his game each season, and could be the key for the Hornets tomorrow. Paul is at the "Kobe and Lebron" level where you know he’s going to get his. But if Toronto can’t control West down low this means open shots for Peja, Pargo and Peterson and easy put-backs out of double-teams for Chandler. I have a strong feeling that whoever has the better game between Bosh and West will have the final say in who wins the game.
2) Rebounding. Toronto has done a much better job in this department since Rasho has been re-inserted into the starting line-up. However Tyson Chandler and David West could present a problem down low as previously mentioned and guys like Bonzi Wells and even CP3 can get in on the action too. Toronto is going to have its hands full with West and Paul as is so preventing second chance opportunities for the Hornets will be paramount.
3) Perimeter Defense. This applies in two ways; one in terms of keeping Chris Paul’s penetration at bay and two, staying out on New Orleans’ shooters. The Hornets are quite similar to Toronto in fact in terms of great point guard play, the ability to shoot from long range and a low-post threat at the 4 and therefore without much of a slashing game, it’s Chris Paul that needs to be Toronto’s focus on D. TJ Ford has the quickness to stay with CP3 and hopefully he can keep Paul from getting into the paint to create easy looks on the perimeter. Jose will have a tougher time in this regard but as long as the Raptors understand New Orleans’ game plan and have watched enough game tape, they should be able to back him up. Easier said than done with Paul though right? Which is why besides keeping the former Wake Forest star under control, Toronto also needs to be wary of who provides help when Paul gets into the paint. The last thing Raptor fans want to see is Jamario Moon coming over to double Paul time and time again, only to result in Mo Pete having a season high day in scoring.
As a final note, I worry about the TJ Ford-Chris Paul match-up. There is a danger that Ford gets caught up in a mano-a-mano game with Paul, something I can easily see happening tonight. Paul has become the up and coming point guard that everyone talks about and you have to wonder if Ford doesn’t take this a bit personally, feeling that at one point he was that guy but was derailed by injuries.
The bottom line is that I’d rather see the Raptors make a statement with a win, than with Ford out-scoring Paul in a Toronto loss.
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Havent left a comment in a while, quite busy with the school work and what not.
I do believe this one of the more important games going forward into the stretch of the season. Both teams match up very similarly, and I think we have a good chance at taking this one with our squad healthy. Franchise, very well said with the TJ comment. Even with all the TJ controversy, I cant find myself criticizing him too much. He was having a spectacular year until his injury, and I think a few poor games after his return threw him off his game. He's still young in the league and I believe he has some great days to come. If we remember, jose wasnt playing the starting the role at the beginning of the year simply because TJ was playing so damn well. If he can get in that zone where he finds his team-mates as well as his own shots, we are a team to beat. Our matchup is great against Orlando and with a healthy starting five as well as a great bench, I would bet with our team to squeeze into the second round if we were to face them.
Regards, (keep up the good work franchise, as you always do. great piece with some insight from the bloggers of the opposition. kinda like a scouting report, hah)
by nick on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
It just hit me that by declaring in Marca that he expects the Raptors organization to reciprocate to the sacrifice he's making giving up the starting spot, Jose meant Raps will let him sign to a different team! I was thinking about this and he doesn't seem the type of person that would expect $1 million more in exchange for a favor. I'm sure he understands he is an asset and the Raps cannot let him walk for free however a S&T can be worked out with almost any team: when there is a will there is a way. TJ is obviously a prick, a very talented prick, and Jose must have understood there is no room for both and keep a healthy locker room.
The last game Jose seemed for the very first time not interested in what's going on. I am very curious for the game tonight: last time we beat NO in their court without TJ. It may become ugly, a mano-a-mano affair between TJ and CP3. Who would have beliebed that cheering for Raptors had meant to put yourself in an emotional roller-coaster with no end in sight?
by Daniel on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Hopefully TJ can stay in control again like he did against the knicks. And Hopefully Calderon can stay in front of Paul/Pargo. We may see some caldy/ford at the same time again, cuz the hornets sometimes play pargo/paul. Should be a fun game, Lets go raps.
by Sho on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
The sun is now reporting based on some rumblings in new york that the Knicks would have interest in bringing in TJ Ford.
It is the knicks and there are always rumblings about something...so I'm not sure how much to read into this.
In regards to the knicks thread from yesterday: I don't think it would destroy Chris Bosh is TJ were traded. Yes he would be upset, but he wants to win games and I'm sure he'll be behind anything that makes the team better.
In regards to today's game: we beat the Hornets on the road. There is no reason why we can't beat them at home. I don't think they are as good as their record.
We matchup well against them at the PG spot and powerforward spot which are their strongest positions. We need to really attack them and expose their lack of depth...get Chandler or West in foul trouble.
I wonder if we'll go big against them. Peja is a 6'10 small forward...shouldn't be a problem for Andrea to keep up with him.
God knows Andrea isn't going to stand a chance at preventing Chanlder from grabbing his offensive boards.
I'm predicting a raptors win!
by wtf on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I'm a Hornets fan and new to this blog. I like your site and want you to know I'm not here to talk trash. I'm looking forward to a great game tonight.
I really like what the Raptors have done in the last few years. It was unfortunate to see the Raps fall in the standings when Bosh went down. But look at the Hornets last year; we know how dangerous injuries can be.
As a small market team, I know it can be difficult to keep a full roster happy in certain cities. Personally, I grew up in New York and loved visiting Toronto, and I think it has more to do with some American players not understanding how great of a place it is just because it's not in the U.S. The high level of international players y'all have I'm guessing might be related to that?
Well regardless, in all other games, I enjoy watching and cheering for you guys, but I hope you'll forgive me for saying not tonight.
by mW on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
mW-----Very classy move.
Good luck to you and the Hornets as well.
by sharpy on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Franchise says
WTF - Plus/minus is sort of a tricky stat etc....
I agree somewhat but
I tried to find overall plus minus for the year of TJ over JC could not do U know where it is and could U post it?
I do know JC has been plus over last bunch of games and TJ a minus.
Saying that I conclude a couple of things
Jose line playing better defense???
Jose line getting the ball where the shooters like to get it?????
Getting open looks on the floor is not really getting the open looks for You to succeed..
Example Bosh taking the 3 pt shot last game that was a plus 1 but really odds are it would be a minus 1
TJ is a minus as starter and off bench not sure what it really means but it does mean the team produces better with JC as starter and off the bench...That says something to Me.
Hopefully TJ plays team ball today and not one on one.
How about the Pistons last night the real playoff team showed up. not the team Toronto beat a couple of games ago. (again Raps needed that game and thankyou Pistons)
Todays game will be a true test as NO has much more to play for.
by Davl on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
One place you can check +/- stats is 82games.com. Check out the following link: http://www.82games.com/0708/0708TOR.HTM.
by mW on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Daniel - I can't see Jose going anywhere this offseason, I think from the Marca interview he was simply indicating that he hopes Toronto realizes his value by giving him the big bucks this summer. But who knows, right now the team just needs to keep winning.
WTF - Interesting trade idea with the Knicks, think Grange threw it out there too. Knicks do need some help badly at that position...and it gives a good article or two worth of trade speculation this summer!
And like you I don't think a Ford trade would be the end of the world for Bosh. He seems to want to win more than anything and it that happens more with Jose, so be it.
mW - Welcome to the site, should be a good match today!
by Franchise on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Plus minus numbers for the year for what it's worth
JC--Net +3.3
TJ--Net -6.7
10 point difference. I just wondeer why?
by Davl on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Franchise,
Could you please clarify something. It seems that in your article your are indicating that it is Mitchell alone who is responsible for Bargnani starting for the bulk of the season. Did I miss something? Do you really belive that Colangelo had nothing to do with this? I would bet the farm that if Mitchell had his druthers Rasho would have been starting on opening night right through to present.
by MAS on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Daniel,
That's a pretty ominous interpretation of the Marca interview.
If you equate money with respect, then I can see Calderon just looking to be fairly compensated for his contribution to the team.
Continuing the respect theme, your right in that how this season's point guard platoon played out will be something Calderon reflects on in the off-season. TJ's status directly effects his own, since most nights there's only 48 minutes of playing time to be had.
And what happens when Ukic comes over next year.
I think all will be well (for now) as long as they approach the contract negotiations under the agreed upon premise that Calderon is a top tier pg in the league.
As far as the Knicks rumours, I can see Walsh taking some risks to get out of the mess that is NY.
by yardly on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Mitchell would have played Rasho yeah,but isn't Bargnani's development part of Mitchell's responsiblity?
Colangelo isn't out there in sweats having 3 point contests with DMart in practice, Mitchell is dammit.
Respect to Mo, nobody would boo him around here.
Oh yeah, I don't mind having less Yanks on the team. No offense to the great citizens of the Us and of A but your players are dicks, relatively speaking. (In case you didn't notice.)
by DayOner on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
MAS - No, in no way was I saying that Mitchell was solely responsible for forcing the Andrea starts. It just concerns me that either Sam didn't have the power to make a change, was too stubborn to do it, or didn't realize that not starting Andrea was a bad idea.
Sort of like today.
Can ANYONE explain to me the "strategy" behind having Kapono start???
by Franchise on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
"Can ANYONE explain to me the "strategy" behind having Kapono start???"
Probably due to the Stojakovic match-up. Guess Mitchell figured sine Peja's not much of a slasher, he could get away with having the less athletic defender out there and get his shooting. Not saying it was the right call, but it's probably the reasoning.
End of 3rd quarter... Chris Paul is just amazing.
by Costa on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Look at AP and Bosh play since TJ got the starting gig and look at how Calderon makes everybody better. Colangelo and Mitchell made a huge mistake.
Franchise, I believe both of us agree that Calderon's value is pretty much established around the League and he will be one of the most coveted agents this summer. He expressed his desire to play for a winning organization and nobody would fault him if he were to want to play for the Lakers or the Celts. Somehow I don't see us being contenders for at least 3-4 years, if any and this is a lot for a career. My point was that I do see Jose evaluating his situation and requesting a S&T this summer, especially with TJ staying.
Jose has a lot of bargaining power: his attitude and numbers coupled with TJ's attitude and health history. He can easily play hard ball and accept the QA this summer and then be a free agent next year. I don't doubt Colangelo's intention to keep him however the way he was treated until now and the future of his team would make Jose very hard to be kept.
I am a Raptors fan first and Jose is not even my fav player (AP is) however I try to be realistic and see the situation from all points of view. How else one can interpret Jose's words that he expects Raptors to reciprocate his sacrifice? Don't forget that Raps would have to match an offer sheet therefore it doesn't have full control of the financial aspect. If I remember correctly, the media reported that at the trade deadline Colangelo had to decline offers from at least 10 teams for Jose. All in all, Jose did everything he could for the Raps during his contract. If he thinks his future is not with us then he has the right to be treated fairly and maybe geting less than his full perceived value.
by Daniel on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Well now we know that the piston game had more to do with the pistons. Look what a top team who had something to play for did. glad starters put out so much effort that even Leo and Chuck critized their lack of effort. Looks like they tanked a game and I for now am not a raptor fan because I feel that way. Glad I did not have to pay to watch. Starting Kapono come on!!!
On a nother note the Davidson game was amazing thankyou for great effort
by Davl on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Just Listening to Bulls Beat, and it seems the Bulls are a complete mess. Hornets were Hot tonight, and I doubt any team couldve taken them tonight. Raptors can't let this game transfer to the next game.
by Sho on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Franchise,
Apparently Kapono started because Moon was a better mach-up for Bonzi Wells who would be coming off the bench for the Hornets. Do I agree with the logic... No, but that's the theory Chuck provided during the game.
by MAS on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Well I think this game was a fairly large realization for me. I know it took a while to completely dawn for me, but we are an utterly middle-of-the-pack team. We lack the coaching and personal to hang with the big boys. I am not sure if last year's improvements diluted reality a bit for me, and that lead to my persistent perception that we were capable of being an elite team, or the fact so many outsiders seemed to (and still do for some reason) believe the Raps are some sort of dark-horse, or whatever it was, but it is finally OVER!!! I don't know why the Western road trip disaster didn't trip this realization, or our app. .500 record all year, but it just literally did not happen until 3 minutes ago. I think I can just relax now, enjoy the last 10 games and 4-6 games of playoff basketball, and then wait for what I pray is the continued evolution of this club. So help me God though, if they stand pat with this line-up , or I don't at least get some insight on what they are lining up for after the '09 season, I'm just not sure I will see reason to continue following this team like a freakin' religion. Anyways, wanted to share my big (somewhat obvious) epiphany. Now I'm done, have a splendid night, I know I can take a load off now.
by Branden on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I've been a bit down on TJ these days given the whole pouting-backup situation. I was at the game tonight and attempting to view things in an unbiased way, and it was painfully apparent to me that the team just did not have a good flow with TJ at the helm, whether he was hitting his shots or not (and he actually hit a decent percentage). I'm not a tactical basketball expert, but he has a tendency to just dribble up the floor, hang onto the ball, and give a nothing pass to someone standing a few feet away outside the arc. Are they then expected to create for themselves? The contrast with Chris Paul (and even Calderon) was astounding. Chris passes that get a play started, often resulting in a clean look, even if the point guard didn't make the final pass.
I spoke with a security guard on the floor after the game, who has been at all home games this year. I asked him who he tended to prefer, TJ or Jose, and he actually said that he preferred TJ, except that he has to learn how to pass. While TJ wasn't actively booed in my section, there were a lot of cat-calls a long the lines of "pass the ball".
Please do not accuse me of being a TJ hater. Unless BC has another solid point guard in his back pocket, I think that he should be worrying a little more about Calderon's perceptions of his place on this team.
by observer on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Classy move by a real pro Mo Pete kissing the center court.
by Davl on Mar 30, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Around a week ago, some of us were talking about Rafer Alston and how he has really developed. Maybe we could use that experience to be patient with TJ after already letting go of a PG that had led his team to the top of the West! Well since then Rafer couldn't control himself and has been shooting off his mouth. He shot off his mouth about West before their game. Paul OWNED him and then called him out in post game interviews. Rafer is still a loser, we DID make the right decision on that one.
by Robert Archibald on Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
FYI - Having some computer issues here at work but recap will be up soon...
by Franchise on Mar 31, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

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