Is December 15th Christmas for the Raptors?

by RaptorsHQ - Archives on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST in Feature Stories

Could Azubuike represent an early Christmas present for the Toronto Raptors?

As I sat down last night to type this piece, I had the pleasure of watching the Charlotte Bobcats, Toronto’s next opponent, take it to the Philadelphia 76ers in a 93 to 84 win.

While the Bobcats early this season looked to be easy pickings for the Raps, the team now looks like the exact type of squad that could give the Dinos major headaches Wednesday night. Larry Brown has his rotations figured out and is effectively using a small line-up of uber-quick guards to torch opponents.

Exhibit A would be the win over Philly, where a backcourt of DJ Augustin and Raymond Felton scored 48 of the team’s 93 points and ran circles around the likes of Andre Miller and Andre Iguodala. Even when the quicker Philly guards of Willie Green and Louis Williams were put on to slow down Charlotte’s pace, they were unable to offer much resistance.

Of course this doesn’t bode well for the already molasses-caked feet of the Raptors’ perimeter D but the whole situation got me thinking; successful teams in the NBA either win with power, size, speed, athleticism, or some combination of them all. It’s a game of match-ups and who can exploit who first in order to force adjustments.

A constant complaint here at the HQ is that it’s the Raptors that are almost always having to adjust to the style of their opponent and part of the reason why I believe, is because except for in very small doses, the Raptors really don’t possess any of the above attributes as a whole.

Sure, Jamario Moon is athletic, Jermaine O’Neal has good size, and Jose Calderon is fairly quick, but none rank at the top of these categories and really the only player on the team who almost constantly has an advantage at his position is of course Chris Bosh.

As a result, we as fans have a team that really is a case of "what you see is what you get," a team in which hopefully the sum of its parts becomes a greater whole.

The problem is, with injuries and an underperforming bench, the sum has not been great so far this season, and the team now sits last in the division at 6-7 with two must-win games this week at home. I say "must win" because after these two, Toronto plays the Lakers in LA to finish the month, and then in December faces the Nuggets, the Jazz, the Cavs, the Spurs and Blazers all on the road, not to mention various other West Coast matches and tough homes games against the likes of the Mavericks, Hornets, and aforementioned Nuggets and Blazers.

It’s scary, but for a team that barely hung on to beat the Bucks and Heat, it’s quite possible that the Raptors hit the New Year five games or more under .500. And as we saw from Chris Bosh on Sunday, it’s doubtful that this team has the mental stamina to withstand any sort of long losing streak.

So here’s the question we’ve all been asking – what’s Bryan Colangelo to do?

Replacing Sam Mitchell may be an option but I’m not sure how realistic it is right now, as much as it may be warranted. Is bringing in a new coach right now really the solution? Can BC even bring one in without some sort of long-term contract in place, something that MLSE probably won’t be willing to do considering the money still owed to Mitchell? Perhaps one of the current assistants could be made intern head coach for the time being but that move reeks of desperation and while we’re all upset with the 6-7 start, it’s not time to hit the panic button yet.

Rather, I think that Bryan Colangelo is waiting for Christmas, or in the Raptors’ case, 10 days before Christmas, December 15th.

If at that point, the Raptors are still struggling or worse, mired in a long losing streak, I expect changes of some sort to come. We’ve already laid out the slim possibilities that exist for trades but perhaps even a small one would shake things up.

So why that date?

For starters, by December 15th, the Raptors will have played 24 games, or almost a third of the regular season. At this point, Colangelo should have a better sense of how competitive this club can be and whether or not he needs to make any changes, big or small.

Secondly, this date marks an important trade date in the NBA. As per the NBA’s Collective Bargaining Agreement:

A player cannot be traded until three months after signing a contract or December 15th of that season, whichever is later.

This means that should BC wish to look at trade options, as of December 15th there will be a lot more options for him to choose from.

Take Golden State.

This is a team that suddenly becomes very interesting to the Raptors as they not only have a glut of swingmen, but many of these swingman such as Anthony Morrow, Kelenna Azubuike, and Corey Maggette, become eligible for trade on that magic December date.

In addition, the Warriors have some spare parts such as Marcus Williams and Marco Bellineli that might be given a second (or third in the case of Williams) chance here in Toronto. Bellineli rarely played under Don Nelson, and that was before Jamal Crawford joined the team, or summer league star Anthony Morrow broke out. And Williams has been Mr. DNP all season.

Would a package of Kapono and Solomon (or Moon) for these two and Azubuike get things done?

While many, myself included, would probably prefer not to give up Kapono, the reality is that with O’Neal’s knee suspect, and Jawai MIA, the team can ill afford to give up Hump. And as deadly a shooter that Kapono is, it’s hard to believe that Bellineli couldn’t produce similar results at a much lower cost, considering how Kapono is not being used to his full extent. No, Kapono is really the Raptors' best trade chip at this point.

A trade as suggested would give the Raptors some much needed help off the bench, a real point guard behind Jose to help spell Roko, not to mention a slashing scorer in Azubuike, and none of these three players would do any sort of damage to the Raptors future cap situation.

However Golden State isn’t the only team that Bryan Colangelo may wish to target. By the 15th a great number of other teams may suddenly decide that they’re simply not happy with their current situation and look to shake things up. As mentioned however, the trick for Toronto will be to get someone to bite on their spare parts. This won’t be an easy task and in many ways BC really has painted himself into a corner here.

If JO is hurt off and on for the entire season, and the club stumbles along, this could very well be a case of "back to the lottery" in an improved East. And yet if that’s the case, will BC simply throw his hands in the air and look towards next year? If paying the luxury tax will only bring minimal improvement, long term, I’m not sure there’s much point. Granted, the constant caveat that we’re "only 13 games into the season" must be given, but JO or no JO, the echo amongst fans has been that this team hardly looks different than it has in the past.

And therefore if the team does get it together health-wise, and looks playoff bound, will that be enough? Even with JO the club was idling around .500, certainly not enough to push past the first round as many had originally expected. If that’s the case, will Colangelo then look to go into luxury tax range?

These are the sort of tough questions Raptors’ management is going to have to discuss over the coming weeks in deciding which path to help guide the club on this year.

Are they waiting for JO to get healthy and for Bargs to take things to the next level?

Or is the team even with those two pieces, still just middle of the pack?

It has to be slightly disturbing for us Raptors fans to remember that Colangelo stated earlier this year that this is the best Raptors’ team yet that he’s been a part of.

I’m not sure he’d say that right now and I think by December 15th he may be ready to concede that things haven’t exactly gone to plan – but that hopefully reinforcements are on the way.

FRANCHISE

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Great summary, Franchise. I guess we've just gotta hang on and hope for a little while yet.

by Jdbar on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Definitely not panic time yet, but man I would love to see a deadline deal done. I agree kapono is our best trade chip, plus he sucks at defense. He would be nice to keep if we had a defender to play in front of him.

Have to say though, to be fair to BC, he said this was the best raps team, on paper.

Clearly moon hasn't produced like he did last year, parker has regressed a little and kapono still is only productive in spurts... so that paper is not holding up.

by axl on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Maybe a question that fits into needing to add pieces to this roster is how good is the Raptors scouting staff? Morrow, Azubuike, even someone like Ramon Sessions could have been had without having to trade for them. When was the last time the Raptors were able to uncover a solid diamond in the rough. Moon is proving to be marginal at best.

Scouting is the way championship teams build given the restrictions imposed on team salaries and such. Of the top teams (Boston, LA, Detroit, San Antonio) the one thing they seem to have invested wisely in and reaped rewards from is scouting. The team has done a very poor job of accumulating assets they could either nurture into championship contributing players or trade, and don't get me started on not being able to hold onto draft picks.

As a fan, I'm not concerned about whether this team will make the playoffs. What I want to see is championship level competitiveness and that's what all of us should be demanding as consumers of the product.

by Interloper on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Yeah this post was much needed. Sorta puts things in perspective and grange at the globe had some other mentally sane things to say yesterday in this light.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/wbbasketball

You and he are by far the best writers out there for raps info and always give it straight up no chaser - much appreciated by all im sure.

by fromlongrange on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

I don't think Kapono gets a team much in a trade. What did the 76'ers get for Korver? Some cap relief. If BC wants a quality player in a trade he's going to have to ship out Bargs because he's our only real trade chip in my opinion. Not sure you get enough back to make up for losing what Bargs has given the team, in fits and spurts, so far this season. But I think anyone who expects Bargs to be a star is over-valuing him. Right now he looks like he could be a solid starter. I don't think he will be anything more and he might be less.

by Sam on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Franchise: I'm glad someone is here to help shepherd the fans of this organization through some aggravating times. It certainly helps.

As a Rap fan I know that trading players, firing coaches or doing b-ball philosophy when there is an angry and fire-breathing mob of faithfull fans baying at the gates can make your team even more of a target to the US media, the opposing team, and general haters. It also diminshes the 'Exchange-Value' of your players.

This leads me on to my next point - You rightly pointed out that the 'Usefulness Value' of K.Humphries is very very high to us. How much do you think we could trade him for? (i.e. his 'Exchange Value'); Answer: Not very much. But without him Bosh could get injured that much easier; lose his cool, and even burn out - amongst other nightmare scenarios. Hump is becoming indispensible - and on this point, so is Parker and Bargs.

My point? Well we need to strategize for our beleagured fans - so how about this:

Phase 1: We need to identify players on other teams (such as your GSW picks) who have low 'exchange values', and low 'use values' on other teams - players that could be useful to us.

Phase 2: Identify on our team who has low 'use value' for us (I'm thinking Graham, Moon, Kapono) and spend the next couple of months trying to bolster their 'exchange values' (like fattening a turkey). Some like Kapono have very high 'exchange value' regardless of how fat his turkey is.

Phase 3: Players we aquire with high 'exchange value' should then be retraded some time in the short future for 'use value' players.

Phase 4: We need to answer the question: What kind of players do we need - when I say 'use value'?

My answer is this (and will of course not be the answer that most fans will have):

1. We need to bolster the 2guard position and get AP a bonafide partner in crime at this spot. (Call me an idiot but a combination Kapono, Moon and picks for Barbosa would do it for me)

2. Sort out that SF position. Either by getting the dart like Desmond Mason from OKC; or keep with the Bargs at SF philosphy and go out and get Villanueva or Nocioni to back him up (yet again using a combination of assets)

3. Leave the PG situation alone. Roko is a good student.

Further: There is no "D" in Marcus Williams - just you wait and see. But if GSW are giving him away - buy low - sell high.

I'm off to take some advil...

Happy hunting raps fans! The world is our oyster.. things could be way way worse - and we all know it!

by JENGE on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

I watched Raptors today (monday) and this may mean nothing but I was really surprised JO was not mentioned! Any reports on His knee. Raptors today would usually be all over something like the injury

by Davl on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

I heard he missed practice (per Doug Smith, I think) but that's it.

by Jdbar on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

I LOVE that GS trade. GS has a glut of swingmen. Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, Jamal Crawford, Kelenna Azubuiki, Anthony Morrow, Corey Maggette, Marco Belinelli. And the Raps desperately need someone who can take take his defender off the bounce. Azubuike's minutes will dry up with Crawford coming over and when Ellis returns from injury. He should be available for cheap. Mitchell has been unable to find ways to get Kapono untracked so he's expendible. Make it happen BC

by Chris on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

yeah I obviously would love one of those GS swingmen to show up in a raps uni but what I can't see is moon playing for don nelson. way too soft. maybe solomon, but he doesn't offer much in terms of value.

hump? for sure.

but like you said franchise, can't see BC letting hump go right now with JO's wonky knee being such a concern. heck, he's pretty much damn near untradeable at this point and moving forward. can you imagine just having bosh and bargs as the bigs?? (with JO sitting out and jawai on the shelf) not going to happen.

so it's got to kap one at this point. and maybe parker with an expiring contract. (and maybe joey)

though it was rumor reported that BC and Mitchell had a closed door meeting yesterday. and then there was a very spirited practice afterwards.

hopefully joey was brought up. as in, 'hey sam, do you think maybe you could cut the crap out with your hate on for joey and maybe play him a little bit? that would be great. thanks. and say hi to your mom for me.'

by papa on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

FRANCHISE,
Nice article and I do concur on your trading ideas. I however cannot bring myself to think that a team with Bosh, Andrea, Jo and Calderon firing at all cylinders can be a middle of the pack team. Even Boston besides the big three + rondo, have a bunch of scrubs. It may be a case of letting Oneal (providing he is healthy) get used to play with the other guys but that core should warrant at least 50 wins, also given how they have plaid this season. Normally the fish rotten from the head and I believe the raptors have not been using the talent in the roster they have at it's best. I do appreciate a new coach costs money, on the other hand that money doesn't count against the tax cap and hence, you can spend on top tier coach and that is going to be cheaper that any addition to the roster. For example there have been reports CSKA Moscow is more than a month late in paying players (and coach) salaries, that could amount to them being in breach of contract. Now I am sure you know what coach would become immediately available......

by renato on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

An excelllent passage from Grange's blog in the Globe and Mail today:

I thought that was interesting. While everyone in the arena thought the blowout was some kind of last straw, people without a stake in the outcome and who watch professional basketball for a living saw it as a matter of fact: That a team playing with that kind of focus and energy came out and took the game away from Toronto, and there was nothing that Sam or Jose or Chris could do about it. Obviously coming on the heels of the New Jersey nightmare it seems worse to everyone who cares, but those who don't didn't think it a big deal.

by OneandDone on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

First up - JO's knee. From all accounts it sounds like he's going to give it a go again tomorrow night. I guess it will be a joint decision between him and the coaches and medical staff but I'd rather he sit instead of this on-off thing.

Heard about the closed door meeting too, that was a must after Friday's meltdown and Sunday's destruction. Hopefully BC and Sam got back on the same page and both realized that while it's early, there's a LOT of room for improvement here - on behalf of the coaches, players AND management.

I think Kapano has some value simply because he's SUCH a good shooter, even more so than Korver. However I do agree that Bargs is really the big chip here, and the big question mark. If he gets it going and JO and Jose heal up, I agree Renato, this isn't just a middle of the pack team. However I think people underestimate the Celtics' bench. I still think Danny Ainge slightly lucked into the whole KG-Ray Allen situation but I do commend him for the job he did with the bench. The reality is that Powe, Tony Allen, and House are better options off the bench than anything the Raptors have (assuming Bargs starts) and Big Baby Davis would be an asset on the Raptors as well right now. Yes, that's how much faith I have in our pine riders.

The one caveat is Joey Graham. I STILL don't understand why he's not playing. As Howland and I discussed last night, he played about 30 seconds against Boston and while did have one bad turnover, he also took the ball to the hoop drawing the foul and tipped the ball to Bosh on an offensive board so I'm just not sure at this point what else Sam needs to see! Especially when Jamario Moon is out there chucking up 3's!

by Franchise on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

OneandDone,

Grange’s post today (and yesterday for that matter) was excellent. Insightful, thoughtful and most importantly not as short-sighted and reactionary as some of the comments made on this site recently. (My two favourites over the last few days were getting Jack Armstrong or Garbo to coach this team! LOL)

In addition to your quote, there was a great piece about how Jose is being victimized by opponents, how coaches are now scheming around this and how league scouts call our Back-up Point guard situation "embarrassing"! Just as pathetic is how our deficit at two guard (PER of our SG vs. PER of opponents SG) is amongst the worst of any position to position comparison in the entire league… Sheesh… So basically we have a terrible backcourt despite Jose’s offensive output.

by MAS on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Just to throw it out there...
Does anyone have an opinion on where this team would be right now with the guy BC was after when he first got here....John Salmons?

It seems like he might have been a really good fit to round this team out.

Just throwin it out there.

by mcclarky on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

I'm neither a Smitch fan or hater. I'm ambivalent. If nothing else, Doc Rivers has proven to me, you can be a crappy coach with no creativity and still win an NBA championship. However, I am a big believer the coach as a player developer, and wondered aloud a bit as to whether former players who played for Smitch have played better under him or worse. Some top of mind players include: TJ Ford, Mo Pete, Juan Dixon, Rafael Araujo, Mat Bonner, Aaron & Eric Williams, Charlie Villanueava, Mike James, Fred Jones, Pape Sow, Donyelle Marshall, Lamond Murray.

Based on the above list without delving into stats, I can’t say anyone one of them came in or went on to become better players on other teams. Any thoughts?

by ustation on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

In terms of the players who have left Toronto, the jury is still out on T.J. Ford. He's played very well in Indiana on a rebuilding team. Chuck V has also played well when he's been healthy. But the rest of the players on the list were border line NBA players who benefitted from the extra time they received playing on terrible Raptors teams.

This teams achilies heel has been its drafts, ever since Isiah left town. I mean, we have passed up some serious talent. BC came into this situation with zero talent to trade away. He hasn't built a championship team, but we haven't missed the playoffs since he's arrived. I know a handful of teams that would kill for that stability. Also, we're not the only team to have regressed this year. The Clippers, the 76ers, the Mavericks, Golden State, etc. There are big problems on many teams in this league. If we were winning every game, our team would be boring :)

Enjoy the ride!

by Casey on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Franchise, You made a comparision Kapono/Korver. The Korver trade netted them Girceck/2nd Rounder, I think Kapono would fetch similar value (granted that trade was for cap space). I think Kapono for Pavlovic from the Cavs makes sense.
Reasons: It would knock off a year's salary for the raps.
- the Cavs may need some firepower for Lebron Come Playoff Time.
- Kapono was drafted by the Cavs so he has some ties there.
- Sasha is misused there and needs a 2nd start (similar to Delfino)
- Kapono works well with a team that has a slasher. And it Give the cavs the option of playing big, with Kap and Lebron at the Wings.

I think that would be a realistic trade. I think many fans overvalue our players when thinking about trades.

Lastly December 15th is when Calderon could be traded (I doubt it, but just saying).

by Sho on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

talking about Salmons is somewhat pointless as he isn't on the Raptors (if we did that we could talk about how this team would be with Roy or Aldridge). As I have pointed out a number of times, BC has made some questionable moves since he has been here and not to say he sucks but things are starting to come to a head. No matter what happens the Raptors have to get better or things could get really bad. Bosh has shown loyalty so far but you could see the frustration on his face on Sunday and if you think he wants to play out his carrer in that kind of situation just cause he likes Toronto yall are nuts. I don't think its a question as to if BC makes a move but when. As Franchise stated in the post December 15 is pretty much the earliest that this team can realistically make a move and get some intersting parts back because of trade restritcions. I am just concerned that we make another high risk move (like the Oneal trade) and it once again bites us in the ass. I know it sounds like I am beating a dead horse but I really need to see BC make a move actually helps the team both in the short term and the long term.

by McGateway on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

As a complete aside, how bad are Gary Payton and Chris Webber?

I just watched them do the most painful interview ever with Spike Lee (watching the Knicks game) and it was pure inside jokes with 0 analysis. Not only that, but these two clowns don't even pay attention to the games. Webber said it was Memphis that beat Detroit this week when it was Minny, and Payton acted all surprised when he saw the highlights of Vince beating the Raps. Um, considering you're supposed to be "experts," shouldn't you be following action during the week? What the hell is going on at NBA TV?

by Franchise on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

I've read some interesting scenarios regarding trades BC could make involving our spare parts for someone else's spare parts, but the thing realy holding this team back is JO's contract. 20 mil is far too much to pay for a guy with a history of knee problems who is averaging 12 and 9; regardless of hsi defensive presence. However, these facts were known when the trade was made and this was the risk nobody really discussed; that the financial commitment to JO will encumber this team if he doesn't make a huge impact. Well, he hasn't made a huge impact folks and we have another season of JO on the books, so we could be in for a couple of miserable seasons unless JO stays healthy enough to be traded to a contender at the deadline or in the off-season.

In the meantime, the Raps scouting department should be in overdrive trying to find a Morrow in the rough, in case BC can unload Kapono's contract. We shouldn't even be discussing major trades right now, for the reason many others have mentioned; any major move requires the inclusion of Bargnani. It would be a terrible signal for BC to trade him, and we wouldn't even get value in return. Instead, BC needs to unload Kapono's contract and we should sign some NBA caliber talent not currently in the NBA. A guy like Jasikevicious comes to mind as the perfect back up to Calderon because he can score the ball.

In any case, it's just a suggestion of what BC should look at doing because if this team stinks it up for the next two years, or is even mediocre, all the cap space in the world will not help us retain Bosh; he'll be another star caliber player who did big things in Toronto before moving on.

Rob

by The other Raptors fan in LA on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

kapono is our only realistic trade asset/value and trading him to the cavs just to get a years off the salary wont help us. the raps arent giving up this season and we can still improve but trading kapono for sasha would be terrible for the team. we can make a better trade with "the best shooter in the league" for a decent or an above average player if we make a package.

there is some talk about raps involved in trying to aquire jerry stackhouse. it would be an upgrade in which he can help the young ones with their game and he might even still have the game in him, well some of it. that would be a good start, but we still really do need to make a major trade to get this team going.

also, would it be possible to dump solomon, and get marcus williams.

by tea time on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

ustation - your list made me wonder if pape sow can be brought back in to save us??

francise - you're not down with gp and c-webb? I noticed their mistakes but they are entertaining in their amateurish kinda way...

by axl on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Franchise I was noticing that too....Webber and Payton are brutal...they are trying to compete with the TNT crew but they are doing an absolutely terrible job of it...most of the NBA TV crew is terrible for that matter...Eric Snow mumbles the entire time. They need to get rid of the former NBAers and bring in some intelligent ones.....Anthony Parker would be a fantastic analyst in my opinion...hopefully he gets into when his career is over cause i would listen to him over payton and webber anytime

by big d on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

What about the Raptors actually get bold and trade Bargnani and Kapono for some fire power both at the post position and the wing. I'm thinking a trade with Portland: Bargnani & Kapono (we can even throw Printezis in there) for Channing Frye, Travis Outlaw and Diogu. I personally think the Raptors get what they're in dire need of with Outlaw and get some help at the post position although they're still weak at guard (I think Solomon will get better with time) Portland on the other hand get Bargnani who could maybe really flourish with the system they play (with Oden, Pryzbilla and Aldridge he won't need to even think of the 5 spot) and Kapono will get the open looks he needs to have an impact in a game.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2750~2754~2015~2987~2010~3226&teams=28~28~28~22~22~22&te=&cash=22:28

by Cedric on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Kappono, Humphries and our first round draft pick for Caron Butler and Washington's second round pick works and in fact we take back slightly less $$ than we give up to sign someone to the midlevel exception. Just throwing it out there for ponder.

by Rahulan on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Do we really have to wait until December 15th? Who knows, by then, with the rough lil' stretch coming up, the Raptors could be in bad shape. I think Memphis makes a great trade partner for us. The player that I would target would be Javaris Crittenton. As many of you may know, our backup PG spot is completely inept. Getting a guy like Critt would not only add a ball handler for this team, but gives this team some young talent. Critt would not be the only player involved in this hypothetical trade. I would imagine that Quentin Ross (a sensational perimeter defender) may also be involved...Greg Buckner, or Marko Jaric may be involved as well as part of a bigger package.

I suck at proposing trades but for the sake of this post, something like this may work:

Toronto trades:
Jason Kapono
Kris Humphries
Jamario Moon

for

Memphis trades:
Javaris Crittenton
Quentin Ross
Greg Buckner/Hakim Warrick/Marco Jaric (one of these guys)

I'd prefer a guy like Kyle Lowry instead of Critt. but the Griz apparently like him more than Critt., as he is not even getting any PT in Memphis.

What ya think?

by Thomas on Nov 26, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions