Final Training Camp Thoughts…Sampson, the Shooting Guard Spot, oh, and that guy Andrea…
By now, Sam Mitchell has put the 2008-09 edition of the Raptors through four practices.
(That’s two days worth of "two-a-days" in Ottawa...good times.)
I’m guessing that Jermaine O’Neal blocked about 90 shots during this time span, that Roko Ukic and Will Solomon were playing some spirited one-on-one to contend for Jose’s back-up spot, and that Joey Graham had Sam Mitchell reneging on his promise to stop swearing.
Yes, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
However with several new faces in tow, it would be interesting to peek into this week’s sessions to see just how heated some of the battles are wouldn’t it? Roko vs. Solomon… Graham vs. Adams…Humphries vs. Sampson?
(Sidebar – How the hell did the Raptors decide that Jamal Sampson was the missing piece for training camp? Perhaps he’s more serviceable than Hoffa, but wasn’t there anyone else out there with a BIT more upside, or was this move made strictly because Jamal is the cousin of former number one overall pick Ralph Sampson? And can they afford to keep him considering how worried BC stated he was about the Raptors’ proximity to the luxury tax mark? Was there a "Buy one former Cal grad, get a future Cal grad for free" deal on? Like The Sportsguy always says, "I feel like we need to know these things!")
Speaking of Solomon, apparently we shouldn’t be surprised if Solomon wins out the back-up point guard spot based on several comments from those around the team, and at Media Day others noted that Kris Humphries could very well be in line for a break-out season.
Hump did look to be in great shape, and when I talked to him about his off-season, he mentioned that the Raptors’ staff at the end of the season did a great job of giving him a list of specific things to work on over the summer. Not only did he work diligently on his list, but he also talked about feeling like he was just getting going in many respects. He elaborated by talking about the make-up of this year’s club, and perhaps having a better opportunity to really show what he can do.
Bryan Colangelo reiterated this later on and suggested that of all of last year’s team, Humphries was the one he felt that the Raptors didn’t make enough use of!
What, not Joey you say? Unbelievable!
(Speaking of which, Joey apparently has a strained hamstring and will be sitting out some of the Ottawa camp.)
More interesting though is Sam Mitchell’s first public statement about the team’s backcourt, in that he’s not sure who will start beside Jose at the 2 spot.
This is extremely interesting considering that many, myself included, assumed that the battle in the starting line-up would be between Moon and Kapono for the starting small forward position. Instead, it seems that Mitchell is looking at perhaps bringing Anthony Parker off the bench or having he and Kapono split time at the 2 spot.
From this morning’s Toronto Star article, it’s hard not to be frustrated with the following quote from Sam Mitchell regarding Kapono’s play during the post-season:
"It re-affirmed why we signed him," the coach said of Kapono's work in the five games against Orlando. "The guy can flat out score."
"It showed me he could do other things than just spot up and shoot. He may not be the quickest guy but he's kind of sneaky and crafty with the basketball. It gives me an opportunity to use him more, run more sets for him. Now we can put the ball in his hands and not only can he create a shot for himself, he can create a shot for his teammates."
Um…shouldn’t Mitchell have figured this out BEFORE the last four games of the season? Most of our readers had been saying this all year and yet the Raptors’ biggest free-agent acquisition languished on the bench or rarely touched the ball from January to basically May.
Regardless of who comes off the bench though, the fact of the matter though is that someone, or some combination of players, is going to have to take the next step if the Raptors wish to play with the other big boys in the conference. Already various "experts" are conveying concerns regarding Toronto’s bench and while as fans we tend to live by the expression "hope springs eternal," names such as Hassan Adams, Roko Ukic, Kris Humphries and Will Solomon admittedly do little to strike fear in the hearts of opponents.
Neither is John Hollinger’s prediction of a fifth place finish in the East and a 47 and 35 record.
Interestingly, Hollinger argues that last year’s version of the Raptors, despite winning only 41 games, actually had the stats of a 51 win squad. While I’ve never been completely in sync with all of Hollinger’s logic and metrics, you’ve got to hand it to him for a very thorough job on breaking down the Dinos. (Most years it’s blatantly obvious to us fans that the "expert" doing the preview failed to watch the team play even once.) Perhaps most telling, was his assessment of Andrea Bargnani.
"Bargnani shot 38.6 percent from the floor with a 10.68 player efficiency rating; given his defensive shortcomings, he was one of the worst players in the league to see regular minutes.
Compare him to the Raptors' other big men and you can see how costly his playing time was. Rasho Nesterovic shot 55 percent with a 16.23 PER; Kris Humphries shot 48.3 percent and had a 15.72 PER; and little-used Maceo Baston also shot well and posted a strong PER. Had the Raptors simply benched Bargnani and played the other three guys more, they would have projected to win 3-to-5 more games, depending on your playing time assumptions for the others. That, in turn, might have been enough for them to finish fourth in the East and host a first-round playoff series."
I’m not sure replacing Bargnani last year with Baston would have helped out much but the point is that Andrea was bad like Michael Jackson. In fact the newest member of the Raptors, Jamal Sampson, hasn’t had a PER under 11.47 since his rookie season!
So looking at Bargs going into this season, you’d have to say that he has almost nowhere to go but up and I truly believe we’ll see a much better season from him this year. It has nothing to do with Andrea putting on weight in the off-season either, or even his health really. I just think that with him out of the starting line-up, and able to get comfortable again in the offense, it will make all the difference.
That’s one thing I wished that I had asked BC actually; if going back in time, Bryan would have handled the whole "Bargs in the starting lineup, Bargs on the bench" yo-yo thing differently. I do believe that Andrea had some health and adjustment issues as Colangelo alluded to, but I was hoping to also hear a bit more in terms of the technicalities of why "Il Mago" was hardly a magician last season. Was he indeed shooting and making his moves off the wrong foot? Had he changed his shot? Was he using too much styling product in his hair thus preventing him from staying balanced through his follow-through?
Unfortunately these types of things were never discussed and at times it seemed like everyone was in full "protect the former top pick" mode. I’m by no means ready to write Andrea off yet, but I have to admit that I found myself wondering if this is what it felt like to be a journalist at a Washington Wizards’ Media Day circa 2003.
I did ask BC however if making the JO trade meant a fundamental change in his philosophy from how he first envisioned the team’s construction upon his arrival in Toronto.
His response was that no, he wanted to build a winning team from day one and that while some felt he had abandoned plan (at this point he gazed straight at a certain "usually negative Star reporter"), it was simply a matter of constantly changing up pieces to address the team’s weaknesses. (Usually negative Star reporter’s response: "but you DID abandon the plan!")
Perhaps BC has always been a bit too ready to make excuses for his number one overall pick, but one thing we’ve always liked is that he’s not afraid to go and fix things quickly if they’re not working. That’s why as much as BC wants to say that Andrea will be fine, the fact that he traded for someone to take his spot in the starting lineup speaks volumes.
However BC wasn’t the only one putting a positive spin on the Bargnani situation.
Jermaine O’Neal spoke a length about Andrea saying that he was "quicker than almost every player that size that he’d ever had to guard."
He also went on to say that Bargs worked very hard during their time together in Vegas, and that he was very excited to see just how dynamic a presence he, Bosh and Andrea could be on the court.
I’ve posted some video clips of this to our RaptorsHQ channel on Youtube and you can see them by clicking here. Unfortunately the sound quality isn’t great so you may have to crank it up. (I’ll be sporting a mic next time around.)
While it’s exciting to hear O’Neal speak so highly of Andrea, the proof will be in the proverbial pudding.
With the pre-season about to tip off in only days, it will soon be time to see if season number 3 will showcase Andrea as a player in the mould of Chris Bosh - a young star with lots of upside, or of Joey Graham – vast potential that will probably never be realized.
FRANCHISE
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JO's always been a big talker, so I'm just really looking forward to the pudding myself!!
The Kapono stuff is interesting. Knowing how important fresh legs are to AP's game, Kap at SG sounds like a good plan. Just shoot the damn ball kap!
by axl on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Fantastic post, great to have your insight and analysis from media day Franchise. The Kapono as a 2 guard issue is an interesting one. After reading in E. Smith’s blog yesterday that Smitch was considering Kapono at the shooting guard (not to mention starting ahead of Parker) I was dismayed. I had long thought that Kapono in the starting front court balanced nicely with CB and JO.
However, after some more time to consider it and after listening to Smitch’s logic for the move it makes a bit more sense. The first issue that Sam raises is actually spot on. We need someone at the 3 that can guard the Luol Deng’s, Paul Pierces and LeBron’s of the world, the athletic and big small forwards that can score. He makes the point that until last year, Chicago had killed the Raps for two straight seasons. Finally with Moon, there was someone who could at least slow Deng down. Also, with Moon starting, we could have one of the better defensive, shot blocking and rebounding teams in the league (assuming Parker keeps his starting role). This has to be intriguing to Raptors fans that have had to watch pathetic D over the last few years. I understand (and have made) the argument that JO and Bosh behind Kapono make up for his defensive deficiencies, however when Kap gets beaten and JO and CB have to rotate, it could leave them open to possibly getting into early foul trouble.
Further, I think with Kapono being able to play the 2 or 3, he can spend more time on the court relieving both Moon and Parker (apparently according to Doug Smith, the staff has not been blown away by Hassan Adams). That’s a nice tight rotation (throw in a little Joey if you’re feeling lucky). Importantly though, Moon will start to slow down the opposing starting 3 or at least not let him get on a role early thereby creating first quarter deficits.
I think its really a coin flip… I could go either way. But Moon starting is as way out there an idea as I first thought.
by MAS on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
If we go back to Andrea's rookie year when he had that promising season, what was he doing? Shooting the 3 and making incredible passes. Last year Sam was expermenting with Andrea at the 5, then he got sick and his role was never defined, he was starting, then he lost his starting job and confidence. What we have to remember is that he is still a kid trying to adjust to a new country, new basketball system in the NBA and then a new position. So I can see why BC is always sticking up for Andrea because that would be tough on any home grown NBA player much more someone coming in form the Euro league with a language dificiency.(Its a good thing he came to Canada...I could just imagine if he was in an American city) This year I see Andrea doing a lot better with the 2 bigs up front or even if he comes off the bench he will know his roll with the team, he is healthy and the 3rd year is usually a breakout year for bigs in the NBA. We have to remember also that it usually takes Centre longer to develope. Andrea will be fine;trust me. Raps4Life
by raps4Life on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Did BC actually use the phrase "usually negative Star reporter" to call out Feschuk??? That's awesome if true.
by Neil on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I know media day at the start of camp is full of talk, blue sky visions, complimentary chatter about the squad, etc. and that it's like that at almost all team camps. So it makes one wonder how poisoned is the environment around Marbury and the Knicks, based on stories by Adrian at Yahoo and Berger at Newsday. These guys can't even find reason for optimism or the positive blah blah blah. Even if it's meaningless banter right now around Raps camp, I'll take it!
by Tim on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
So when do we hit the panic button re: the backup guard? With JC loging so many minutes, I can't foresee him going injury free all season long. That would leave some backup becoming a starter wondering what would JC do?
Last year I got chided for predicting a 41 (-1)win year, when everyone in the t-dot seemed to predict the Raps in the Semi's vs Boston, and the previous year a 43 (-4) and being pleasantly surprised. After lots of research by our crack research team, we've finally come up with a number (we meaning me, and lots of research = reading several blogs). We're going with 45!! Although I'm significantly less sure than the year we picked up AP and Garbo. Not only because there are too many question marks around the Raptors but around all of the east. How will Philly and Indy do after their trades/pick-ups? Will Boston remain Boston? Will the Knicks actually figure out the object of the game? Will D. Wade demand a trade? Don't know, but I can't wait to find out.
by ustation on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Neil - Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have used the quotes as no, he didn't call Feschuk that. I was just labelling him in that way to avoid using his name but it was a funny scene anyways. Funny both to see BC make sure he knew what Feschuk had been writing and funny that Feschuk came right back at him!
Tim - Great point. The whole Knicks situation is unreal. I mean, I really thought with Isiah gone that things would simmer down. Nope! Not when you have Z-Bo and Mad Man Marbury around. How they're going to get rid of him I have no idea.
I think it was also pretty telling that Hassan Adams commented that "there had never been close to this much press in Jersey." It was a pretty packed session as even the folks at stations like Omni were there. Sure this is a hockey town, but the Raps could be the only winning game in town this year...
...which probably explains the damn ticket price increases...
by Franchise on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Thank god the season is about to start and all the talk about andrea will be about current performances and no about last season ones as I believe they have been analyzed to death and they carry no further information.
by renato on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
So any thoughts about what the bench rotation will be? Im guessing that bargnani comes off first, followed by parker or kapono i guess, then the backup pg. After that, who knows, but id say those 8 are the main focus with adams or hump rounding things out from time to time.
by fromlongrange on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Interesting info from eric smith on raps scrimmage
http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/ericsmith/2008/10/03/watching-scrimmage/
by axl on Oct 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
What I missed most about Andrea last year was that touch of magic with his great court vision. You know, those crazy no-look touch passes, the finger roll while he hung in the air, and that behind the back pass to Bosh on the drive from the Atlanta game... I just hope that magic comes back this year, and he's not just thinking way too much about his post moves.
Most importantly is a need for him to establish a tempo with how he plays in the post. We all remember his tendencies to rush and cause himself to fumble the ball. I still have high hopes for the big guy, cause we'll need him as the #1 scoring presence from the bench.
by Kinnon Yee on Oct 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Great article once again....started a new job after finishing school and just haven't had the time to post on this site as much as I wanted.
Lots of reasons why the Raps will do good this year....but its preseason every team is thinking they have a shot....there are a lot of question marks looming in the background.
Any work on Calderon after his groin injury? How are JO's knees holding up thus far? Will this be the year that AP's age catches up to him? Do we have a legit backup PG?
This should make for a very exciting season. It reminds me of two years ago when BC first joined the Raptors. Everyone has a sense of hope but there were a ton of questions that nobody had the answers to. They overachieved then (in the reg. season at least) and I am confident that if we stay relatively healthy we will be out of the 1st round this year.
by wtf on Oct 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I saw Nathan Jawai today downtown he bought a ps3 and shoes LOL he doesnt look that big in person and he doesnt look built.....
by Jomar on Oct 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Comments here still have hump buried at the end of the bench.
crazy idea - could hump start at the 3? If his energy and defence and scoring touch are as vaunted as training camp seems to indicate, would he be an option at that position? He would certainly be bigger & stronger than most opposing players at that place.
What do you think?
by gerry on Oct 4, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

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