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As a result, the rumour-mill has been running at top speed with speculation as to where he might end up if the Jazz decide to deal him.
Personally, I think a Lamar Odom for Kirilenko trade makes sense for both clubs but what about our beloved Raptors? Is Bryan Colangelo making his way through Tolstoy's works as we speak?
Would Toronto have a shot at Kirilenko?
When you run the numbers, it doesn't look like it.
As one of our readers put it, there aren't a lot of options for Toronto. Financially, taking on a mammoth contract of Kirilenko's size means the Raptors would have to get rid of approximately $13 million in salary. And we all know, to get to that level that means Rasho would have to go.
Otherwise, it would be Bosh (which the Raptors would never do) or perhaps Andrea Bargnani, who has a decent size salary and whose talent would be an enticement.
The other option of course would be TJ Ford, who with his new salary would be a good starting point in any deal for AK. However since the Jazz already have their franchise point guard in Deron Williams, I can't see them wanting TJ.
So who does that leave us with besides Rasho?
Delfino's salary is too small to be a major piece in a deal and Jason Kapono can't be dealt until December since he was a newly signed free-agent.
So back to Rasho we go.
The deal that works and might make some sense is AK47 and Ronnie Brewer for Rasho, Jorge and Juan Dixon or Joey Graham.
The problem is, I'm not sure why Utah would want Rasho as they are already such a good rebounding team...and have a versatile center combo of Jarron Collins and Mehmet Okur. The deal could be arranged so Collins would come back to Toronto and there are various other small permutations of course that could present themselves. But the bottom line right now is that the planets would need to be in alignment for a deal between these two clubs to work.
However, there is a side-piece to all of this.
If cutting salary and getting something in return for Kirilenko is Utah's main goal, than maybe Jazz management could be convinced.
Utah has only 13 players on their payroll at present, want to win now, and don't have much use for a Ronnie Brewer, or maybe a Morris Almond for that matter. So they could do a three for two deal like the one mentioned above and not suffer for roster space.
In addition, Toronto also has a $555,000 trade exception that perhaps Utah would want to clear more room for Deron Williams, who is due for a new deal next season.
In fact Deron Williams' looming contract situation might be that extra push Sloan and co. need to cut salary. Williams' and Carlos Boozer are obviously the core of the team going forward so to try and make Deron a Jazz member for life, Kirilenko may have to go.
So maybe taking on a prospect in Graham, a serviceable big in Rasho, and a glue guy to replace AK47 (and probably a player Jerry Sloan would love) in Garbajosa would be enough if Utah fears it will lose Kirilenko all together.
Reports out of Utah today are making it sound more and more like Kirilenko would prefer to return to Russia to finish his career. If that's the case, Utah might feel its hand is forced, look to get something in return, and let whoever acquires Kirilenko worry about him leaving for Mother Russia.
I think this would be Toronto's only shot.
And it's tough because it's hard not to see AK47 as being the missing piece for the Raptors at the 3/4 spot.
He doesn't need the ball to score, is one of the league's best defenders, can score from inside and out and would look great between the likes of Anthony Parker and Chris Bosh in terms of skill set.
But that's as much as I'm going to say to get my hopes up.
Because while it looks like Andrei might not in a Jazz uniform next season, I highly doubt he will be in a Raptors one either...
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Kirilenko for Odom does make sense, although Odom and Boozer play the same position.
How about Kirilenko to the Nets for Jefferson? Utah needs a 3 if I'm not mistaken, and Kirilenko would be great for New Jersey playing with Kidd and Carter. To me, this is the trade that makes the most sense.
by Jeff on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Do the salaries match up to make that one work? That's always the difficulty in making trades in the NBA
by Jdbar on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
No way TO lands AK47. We would have to give up close to equal talent. That means either Bosh (never happen), or Bargnani AND Calderon AND more assets to make salaries match. Odom would work, he is a SF more than a PF and would play well alongside Utah's other parts, but Lamar ain't exactly a Utah type of guy.
Sure the raps need a SF, and a stud would really put us in a great position. Heck, if I had a Ferrari I would get laid more, but that ain't going to happen either. Unfortunately, we just aren't in a position to acquire Kirelenko or any other max contract type player.
by Robert Atrchibald on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
BTW I had to chuckle. You know you are grasping at straws when you are thinking a 0.5 mil cap exception might help!
by Robert Atrchibald on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
If Kirilenko's preference as you stated is to go back to Russia: why in the world would you want to trade for him??!!
by foxrim on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
AK47 proved last year he is not effective unless playing Power Forward. His shot blocking, rebounding and quickness (against other power forwards) cannot be utilized while playing small forward. The reason he had such a bad year was due to the emergence of a healthy Boozer at the 4. So unless the Raps want to trade Bosh (or play at centre), or pay someone 13 mil a year to come off the bench... why would they do this deal?
by George on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
The way I see it is this:
The only way Toronto has a chance to get AK47 is if Utah feels it's going to lose him for nothing and he pulls a Spanoullis and tears up his contract to get out of Utah.
The Kirilenko and Almond or Brewer for Garbs, Rasho and Joey or Juan Dixon works according to the ESPN.com trade machine. You could also make a bigger deal and incorporate Jarron Collins if Utah was looking to cut him loose.
And yes, pretty desperate to throw in the trade exception but given the salary Deron will probably command, Utah is going to need every penny to avoid the luxury tax...unless they deal Kirilenko.
The problem is, if Utah decides to deal Andrei for financial reasons, they can get a much better return on their investment from other clubs than they can get from the Raps...
by Franchise on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
PS - As a follow-up to your comment George, that's why in the article I said 3/4. Toronto plays CB4 at centre and may have to do so more this year unless Bargs proves he can stay out of foul trouble and that would leave AK able to play the 4. But who knows what B.C. is thinking, maybe he doesn't even think that AK would be much of an upgrade over Garbajosa's all-around play and for a much cheaper price!
by Franchise on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Garbajosa is a good player, no doubt. But with his injury and the conflicting opinion (him & Raptors org.)surrounding his recovery, it would seem unlikely that an NBA team would want him in a trade.
by foxrim on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Not much more to add than I've said the past couple of days, but this is a good summary from a Salt Lake City blog:
http://blogs.sltrib.com/jazz/2007/09/thursday-report.htm
Interesting points:
1. The journalist mentions "Anthony Parker from Toronto"... who makes $4.35 million this year. But then he mentions big ticket guys like Marion, Jamison and Odom. I don't get it.
2. Says Sloan's rep is taking a hit. Maybe the Raps could use that to their advantage and hire David Blatt (Team Russia coach) as an executive assistant. Wishful thinking, but I'm sure AP and Maceo who played for Blatt at Maccabi would help sell Toronto to him.
3. If Kirilenko walks away from his contract like Fisher did, no team can sign him until next off-season for more than the mid-level ($6 million bucks), other than the Bobcats. I know the Russians were once communist, but would Kiri want to take a salary hit like that?
P.S. How Milwaukee handled Charlie Bell's RFAgency should be the exact opposite of how BC will handle Jose next off-season. Ya think Charlie's going to try very hard the next 5 seasons until the Bucks bundle him off in a trade? Sad, but that's the way the NBA works; don't like your contract and/or team, sulk into you get your way (out).
by jjdynomite on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
To put together a package for AK - we would have to package a few of our key cogs.
Why? Why even consider it? I don't wanna sound overly optimistic but I cannot wait to watch our current roster mature as a unit.We have the roster we want - never been one for the fantasy trade scenario. Why not go for Duncan?
BC's main priority now is to figure what to do with Jose. He has the unit he wants- he's improved last years team while losing very little(MoP).
by Tinman on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Need to add -On many a nights Parker was the second best Raptor out there. He ain't going nowhere - find me a better bargain out there for $4.5 mil. Man is a winner and you can't teach that. Mitchell knows he's got a winner and it would be over his dead body.
Isn't Barg's supposed to develope into a Kirlenko type? His play at Euro Champ(believe he was 11th or 12th in scoring - not bad for a young kid with the weight of his country and the other teams best defenders) seems to be rather harsh (yet the only coverage we got was from Sergei). Remember how he was playing prior to apendectomy? Not only providing a consistant scoring threat - his D was coming along nicely.Played good positional. This rookie(don't forget) showed me a lot of potential and I expect to see the rewards next year. He was a leading shotblocker in the Italian league at the age of 18 - watch him this year. We don't need to invest millions of $ in a big man - between Bosh, Bargs, an underused Rasho, and watch out for this Bastien fellow - every write up I read indicate that he can play the game and can impact a game -
We have all the size we require.
by Tinman on Sep 21, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
CHECK OUT THIS LINK FOR A GREAT, THOUGHTFUL ARTICLE/PREVIEW OF THE RAPTORS:
http://shamrockheadband.blogspot.com/2007/09/nba-preview-fiba-rapture.html
by Rav on Sep 22, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
What if?? Raptors did not sign Jason Kapono. There would of been alot of money to throw at a deal with the Jazz
by Davl on Sep 22, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I do not think that the Raptors have any pieces that they would be willing to give up that would entice the Jazz.
I don't think it would be good for the Lakers to deal Odom for Kirilenko. AK is not consistently better than Odom. Even if you see it as an improvement, with the Lakers giving up Odom who is currently their 2nd best player, how much better would they be. Not good enough to keep Bryant happy. Now if the Jazz are panicked enough to dump Kirilenko for expiring contracts and a protected first or a couple seconds, the Lakers should jump all over it.
Something like Kwame Brown, Maurice Evans, Sasha Vujacic and a/some pick(s) for AK47 would be a great move for the Lakers given all of Kobe's grumbling. All of those guys are expiring. The Jazz could them all year and make a splash next year in the free agent market or dump the expiring deals at the deadline for help in this year's playoffs.
Kobe and AK47 or both versatile enough defensively that they could be on the floor at the same time as Odom and pretty much any other two players. Odom and Kobe are versatile enough offensively, that they could co-exist with Andrei and most other teammates. Luke Walton would still get some serious burn and he is also a very versatile offensive player.
Bottom line an unmotivated angry AK47 does very little for the Jazz, but he could be a happy and productive man in LA.
by JBen on Sep 22, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I think it would suck to live in Utah, especially for a foreigner, but I have a feeling that Kirilenko's a whiner and will be wherever he goes.
by axl on Sep 22, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I know that we have left the Knicks and moved on to AK, but I have to bring this up...
Is anyone else out there loving what is happening to Isiah Thomas these days? This slimey, scum bucket has turned everything he has touched into shit but it never seems to come to roost for him.
For all the hate we have for VC in this city, it is unbelievable to me how we have forgotten what a terrible effect Thomas had on our franchise. The effects of which were felt for YEARS after he left. He nearly bankrupted the CBA, he poisoned the Pacers and now has turned the Knicks into the laughing stock of the league.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him dropped in NY before the season begins - which would be HUGE. I am just so glad we are past that LOSER (and a little glad that he landed on the Knicks!)
by Robert Archibald on Sep 23, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Along the lines of what you said Davl. Remember how the Jazz were courting and interested in Mo Pete. A sign and trade deal along the lines of Mo Pete, Garbo and Rasho might have been enough to get the deal done. Maybe some fillers on both sides.
With our current roster I don't think there is too much we can offer for Kirilenko.
With Peitrius still not re-signed, I'd like to see BC pick him up. But again I don't think there is a whole lot we can offer GState in a sign and trade. Not having full details of where we stand financially I think we would need a sign and trade if we want to sign Peitrius in order to not exceed the luxary tax amount.
by Rahulan on Sep 23, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

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