Tip-In, Toronto Raptors Post-Game: Revised Expectations

by RaptorsHQ - Archives on Dec 29, 2007 12:00 AM EST

Lacing Them Up –

After last night’s loss, I’ve decided that I’ve been expecting too much.

I really thought the Toronto Raptors were going to be a top three team in the East this season, and be a slightly improved club come playoff time.

And can you blame me?

The team was returning its core, had improved its perimeter shooting, was a year more "seasoned" and looked to be deeper than any other team perhaps in Raptors history.

Of course both the Magic and Celtics have turned out to be far more superior than I had imagined but beyond these teams and the Pistons, the East has been tremendously mediocre and yet the Raptors have failed to capitalize.

Why is this? Last night’s loss to Houston was another example of a game that Toronto should have been able to win handily however the club came up short once more.

During our round table, a number of our participants weighed in on their expectations of the team and the general consensus was that the team to this point had been too inconsistent and therefore had not met the expectations that they'd set out. Yes they’ve had injury woes, but I’d have to agree as the team at present lacks an identity – even one of a high-scoring offensive club like that of last year.

This road trip has been the perfect microcosm of this. Toronto has had a couple games where they’ve played top notch defense and ground out wins (Los Angeles and San Antonio), then they’ve had a couple of games where they’ve shot the lights out but allowed their opponents to score just as many or more (Seattle and Phoenix.) And mixed in, we’ve seen a few games where the team can’t seem to do either consistently! (Houston and Portland.)

I realized during last night’s game that it’s tough to expect any sort of consistency from the Raptors as a unit, when of the entire team, there are only three individual players who have exceeded my expectations this season – Kris Humphries, Jose Calderon and Jamario Moon. (And Moon only slightly because while I didn’t expect him to be a starter, I did expect him to have an impact on this club.) Furthermore, there are only two other players who have even met my expectations and they would be Rasho Nesterovic and Carlos Delfino.

Look at those five names! Hardly the ones you’d want to see if you were compiling a list of "important players for Toronto who must have good seasons in order for the Raptors to be successful."

But the reality of the matter is that Andrea Bargnani has been virtually invisible, Chris Bosh has been up and down, Anthony Parker has hardly been overwhelming, Jorge Garbajosa struggled before having season-ending surgery, Jason Kapono has been underutilized, Maceo Baston might as well still be on the Pacers’ bench, and unfortunately TJ Ford has had his promising season derailed by injury.

Oh, and we’re still waiting on Joey Graham.

Yes basketball is a team game, but when four of your five starters from last year have either underperformed, been inconsistent, or have had to deal with injuries, it’s extremely tough to take steps to reach that elusive "next level" that athletes so often discuss.

I’m not saying that I’m waving the white flag on the season here – one could argue that it’s almost impressive that the Raptors are looking at ending 2007 with at least a .500 record considering all of the above. What I’m simply saying is that I think I’m going to be looking at the season with a slightly more "balanced" eye from here on out. This is right now essentially a 42 win team, one that’s slightly better than .500 but missing key pieces and any sort of the consistency needed to be an upper echelon club – even in the East.

Last night’s loss to Houston was a perfect example of this. The Rockets are simply put, a middle of the road team at present, especially without Tracy McGrady. However terrible shooting from both the field and the foul line, a lack of offensive aggression, and a certain Yao Ming ended up being the difference between a win and the Raptors’ 91 to 79 loss.

A Numbers Game –

37 per cent.

It’s pretty tough to win in the NBA if you shoot under 40 per cent on a given night. It’s even tougher if you’re barely making a third of your shots like Toronto was last night.

There really was no excuse for this as Toronto’s supposed sharp-shooters Jason Kapono, Carlos Delfino, Andrea Bargnani and Anthony Parker were a combined eight for 31. That’s a nice little 25.8 per cent. You’ll excuse me now while I go and vomit.

But it gets even better. The Raptors, usually an 80 per cent free-throw shooting club, shot a horrific 52.9 per cent from the line. Yes, the bathroom calls once again.

In all seriousness though, this was the Raptors’ main undoing last night. Had they even knocked down a few of their outside jumpers and especially their free throws, the situation come the end of the game might have been quite different. And that was where I thought one of the game’s key turning points occurred.

The Turning Point –

With 3:14 left in the game and Houston up by eight, it looked like the Raptors had one last run in them to close the gap and get Yao Ming out of the game. He picked up his fifth foul soon after but unfortunately the Raptors couldn’t get that elusive number six. More importantly, turnovers, poor shot selection and missed free throws allowed the Rockets to stretch their lead to 11 and that was it.

The other point of note I felt was with a couple minutes left before halftime. Toronto had started to seize control but mental lapses allowed a Rockets 3 and then thanks to a Shane Battier steal, another lay-up to tie the game at 40. That seemed to give the Rockets the added edge and from the tip-off of the second quarter on, Houston dictated the game’s pace.

Temperature Check –

Hot – Yao Ming. Post game Ming had the following to say about his play considering he was apparently battling a case of the flu:

""I had some problems breathing," Yao said. "I felt like I had a lot of fluid in my lungs and in my nose." "But I know in the fourth quarter you can't make mistakes. I had seven turnovers and I didn't want to get any more. I just wanted to put the ball in the hoop and get the lead and go home and sleep."

Say what? How was it the Raptors weren’t trying to run Ming into the ground? Andrea Bargnani did a decent job defensively on Ming in the first half but was non-existent offensively in terms of forcing Ming to play away from the basket. In fact none of the Raptors were aggressive in attacking "the Great Wall." Case in point – Jamario Moon, who played like a scared kitten when Yao was switched onto him defensively, electing for contested pull-up jumpers. The Raptors simply did not follow our 3 keys whatsoever and when Houston finally figured out in the second half that they had a 7-6 giant who was virtually unguardable by anyone on the Dinos, this opened things up on the perimeter and it was game over.

Hot – Rafer Alston. Alston didn’t exactly tear things up last night, but having seen the Rockets a good deal this year, I thought it was worth noting how much better the team looks when he’s running the show. Alston is still no Jason Kidd, but he’s the best distributor the Rockets have and since his stint with the Raptors, seems to have tamed his free-shooting ways to a certain degree. His long-range bombs in the second-half did Toronto in and it was interesting to see his frequently compared-to counterpart Mike James, get nary a minute in the match.

Hot – Kris Humphries. Jose Calderon’s numbers on paper last night looked good (11 points, 10 assists, one turnover and 50 per cent shooting from the field) but I felt that Hump was the only player on Toronto besides Juan Dixon who tried to set the tone at both ends. Kris scored only seven points but had nine rebounds and a block in only 20 minutes giving Toronto some much-needed toughness down low. He and Rasho played Ming as well as could be expected given their size limitations and as I’ve said before, the Raps shouldn’t be dependent on Humphries for 15 and 10 each night to win.

Cold – The Raptors’ offense. Nuff said here as we’ve broken down the numbers already. But there’s one player I think we need to focus on more specifically.

Cold - Chris Bosh. Bosh is without question the most important player on the Raptors so it pains me to call him out. He’s single-handily won games for Toronto this season and kept them in many others. He’s this team’s heart and soul but last night was a perfect example of his season so far. CB4 hit only seven of his 20 shots from the field and got to the line only six times. It’s obvious that teams have scouted the Raptors quite well and know that by stopping Bosh or refusing to double him, this derails the Raptors’ perimeter attack. Unfortunately this year Bosh seems to be playing into this as well by relying too much on his jump shot. When he’s aggressive and gets to the free-throw line, good things happen. Yao Ming was really Houston’s only consistent weapon last night and I couldn’t help but think that had Bosh and co. been more aggressive, Ming would have been out of the game before its conclusion.

Let's hope all's well in Raptorland between CB4 and Sam Mitchell.

One of our readers made an interesting point yesterday about Bosh sitting through the fourth quarter against San Antonio and whether this would happen with any other "team leader." I didn’t think about it too much but as Bosh kept hoisting up jumper after jumper against Houston, I was drawn back to it. Something just didn’t seem right about it in retrospect. A whole quarter? The answer in my head was "no, I couldn’t see KG or Kobe sitting for a quarter, and if they did, they certainly wouldn’t be happy about it." But you’ve got to ask yourself, if Bosh keeps settling for jump shots and having five for 16 and nine for 21 nights like he did against San Antonio and Seattle, something’s gotta give.

My musings were confirmed post-game.

Sam Mitchell’s usual post-game media scrum segment of RaptorsTV was ominously MIA and in ESPN.com’s recap of the game, it was reported that Bosh and coach Mitchell had a discussion post-game.

"We had to clear some things up and Coach and I came to a middle ground," Bosh said. "I hate to lose and he hates to lose and we just talked about it.

"We need to do a better job of taking it at teams. If we start early and play aggressive, Coach and I feel we can do a better job."

Details about the talk are sketchy at this point and probably will remain so. And while Bosh’s second sentence sounds like your average media quote, it’s the first one that I’m interested in.

What are these "things" that he’s alluding to? Are there monsters in the closet that none of us are aware of amongst this seemingly happy-go-lucky group?

And "middle ground?" That doesn’t exactly sound like the sort of thing you want to hear your star player say after almost three and a half seasons with the same coach…

Perhaps the discussion simply centered around Bosh’s role in the offense and that will be it, the team can move on.

Because with the team’s up and down play so far this season and injury woes, the last thing it needs is another distraction. The Raptors aren’t out of the woods yet as they still have one more game before closing out this road trip against the 20 and 10 New Orleans Hornets, and then face Detroit and Cleveland upon their return to Toronto.

Toronto will have a day of practice tomorrow and after last night’s offensive woes, it’s obviously needed.

Let’s all hope that the team doesn’t need a day of psychoanalysis either.

FRANCHISE

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Bosh look so indifferent when the ball was stolen from him in the 3rd of the spurs game. The lack of effort to run down and do something was so un Bosh like then benching in the 4th made me wonder what is going on. No attack in either game.Then the throw away at the end of the 2nd for the tying basket! Sloppy! Like Franchise said JC had decent numbers but last night did anybody see the usual cheerleading from JC??? This team looks like there is something going on inside it and sorry Marcia TJ is not the answer to the Raptors problems. It's much deeper and only time will show us what it is. I am so off the bandwagon right now and don't believe we are headed to the playoffs.We lost alot in Garbo and MoPete. How can a player like Rasho go from comming off the bench to starting to not playing 2 games then comming in against Yao? How can Dixon sit so much then play backup last 2 games? How come Joey Graham never hits the floor.Delfino for the most part has been good but not last night. Heck Maceo Baston I totally forgot he was on the team. The only 2 constant players this year is Hump and JC and last night something hit me about JC unusual lack of cheerleading.Parker's body language wow. Poked in the eye and no effort to get in the play? Hey man U get paid to play run and get a hand up! Jason Kapono has been underutilized why is that?????????he only puts the ball in the hoop!!!!!!!!!I went to bed already and could not sleep because of last nights game. Never did that before!AB has no clue right now. Last year His shots were from the top of the left arc He is never there anymore!This team needs a trade or two imho! before its too lat. But even if there is one who says SM will even play the new guys? Enough said goodnite!

by Davl on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Still can't sleep

"What are these "things" that he’s alluding to? Are there monsters in the closet that none of us are aware of amongst this seemingly happy-go-lucky group?"

2nd time this road trip Bosh said something negative about the team!

Keep it in house man and get it worked out! SOON!!!!!!

by Davl on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Some thoughts:

-Bosh's inconsistent play is the most worrying of the stated raptors problems. It is obvious to anyone that he still relies too much on the outside jumper, I think it's reasonable to expect that a 5th-year emerging star PF should have developed at least some kind of decent back-to-the-basket moves at this point.

-No matter how struggling his recent game has been, I agree with giving Bargnani playing time for a few games, the Raps need him to get some experience against the Yao Mings and Duncans of this league even if it sometimes hurts the team chances short-term.

-I'm a huge Anthony Parker fan, but his game this season just isn't there. I would favor starting Kapono at SG at this point.

-Everybody remember it's a 82-game season, i understand the recent play is disappointing, but I still see the Raps in the East top-4 by the end of the season. The recent struggles might even be a good learning experience for a team who maybe had it all come too easily last year (and it showed in the playoffs when it could not overcome the first big obstacle in the way). I'm optimistic that the team can fight out of this situation and become stronger.

by Sergi P on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Very good points, Franchise.
I've never thought that Bosh would become the problem and his play kind of derailed my expectations of this team too.
I'm looking at players' decision making as a threshhold for their B-ball IQ and mental toughness. Yesterday Bosh had 2 huge mental lapses that concerns me for his value as a player: at the end of the first half, when he didn't make the simple in-bound pass to Jose or Delfino and with approx. 2' before the end of the game when we were down 7, he stole the ball from Yao and in an ISO with a 5 fouls Yao he settled for the jump shot instead of directly attacking him. He missed and in the next consecutive possession Alson hit a 3-pointer and the game was over.
TJ and Bosh are in the first year of their huge contracts and something is not right: TJ declines to practice or play even if the doctors said the spinal cord has not been damaged at all after Horford's foul and that his condition is not different than before Atlanta game whereas Bosh is not able to carry the team when the going gets tough.
Jose knows what's going on and he tries desperately to involve all players in the game and to keep everyone happy. He could easily take over games and have 15-20 shots per game - the man plays with a dislocated finger and you don't hear any complaints from him. Yesterday I noticed him for the first time shaking his head when some players missed wide open shots or lay-ups. If this situation continues I see him going to another team at the season end: he wants to have a chance at championship.
We do not seem to operate like a team anymore: too many players have too much to prove (All-Star aspirations, contract year, starter status etc.). Last year Garbo, AP and Rasho kept the team together and brought stability to a newly-build roster. This year Garbo is out (huge loss whose significance is not really understood by a lot of people), Rasho lost his starting spot and AP seems to become uninterested in what's happening.
I'm speculating but I think a lot of players were not very impressed with promoting a CBA player in a starting role. Mitchell always play favorites (TJ, Moon, D-Mart) and his style of coaching may be too much in your face that we know. He said something while in the training camp that kind of put me off (as a manager myself): the players have to make the coach happy and the coach should not be concerned with making players happy. Well, unhappy people won't make their coach or boss happy, that's for sure. Maybe he doesn't know how to manage the depth we have or to send the right message. What I know is that our players want to win and to compete as well as anybody else in NBA. BC has some tough decisions to make in the near future.
Franchise, don't doubt the intrinsic value of our team: we have the potential to be an elite team at least in the East. This may be the growing pains of a young team with very little NBA experience or indicative of much larger problems that we have no idea. Only time will tell. In the meantime, let's hope for the best.

by Daniel on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Daniel says.. you are looking for problems where there is none, stop creating problems and ejoy the games.

by Marcia on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Marcia - A team that beats San Antonio one night, and almost gets blown out by Seattle another has problems there's no two ways about it. Are they Knicks level problems, of course not. But I think what Franchise is trying to say is that this team has a lot further to go than I think most people invisioned a the start of the season.

PS - Franchise, great post, some great food for thought.

by Fromlongrange on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Daniel very excellent post.

But unless the Raptors finish 4 or 5th this year they will be out after the first round of the playoffs. (if they make the playoffs)

by Davl on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

I won’t even pretend to understand what goes on within the inner sanctum of the Raptors team but how is it that they have taken a collective step backwards in establishing team chemistry.
How can adding 3 players upset the balance so completely when last year’s squad all the players where strangers to each other? This can’t be blamed on Garbajosa’s absence.
I couldn’t agree more with Franchise. None of the returnees (except Humphries) have equaled their output of last year never mind exceed them as was expected.

What has happened to Anthony Parker who was so deadly from the corners? Didn’t Calderone slash to the bucket more last year? If the priority was open up space for Bosh to operate, why is Kapono so underutilized? Starting Dmart over Juan Dixon? Bargnani?

I can only lay the blame on the coaching staff. It is my opinion that the strategy used to defend against the Raptors has been adjusted as the opposition became more familiar with the offence sets and Mitchell has been unable or unwilling to adapt. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

by OldSchool on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

As far as JC slashing to the basket I have given this some thought and wonder if it has anything to do with TJ being hurt and SM telling him to pick his spots.(spec)Anybody have a guage on when He stopped driving the lane?My guess is it was around TJ's injury. Boy they sure cannot afford to lose JC to injury right now.

by Davl on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

There in deed seem to be issues when winnable games are lost. There may or may not be internal problems but I suspect Bosh's foot problems are more severe than we know and are at the centre of the Raps sluggish offensive performance. In some games he looks like he is running in sand, with something akin to Mutombo's gate. Anyone else notice this?

by ZoneD on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

The thing about bosh's jumpshot is that he used to make a lot more of them. This team survived a long time on the back of his jumpshot.

You even watch highlights of his college years and his game is the same.

I honestly think they can beat anyone and lose to anyone and it has to do with energy and concentration more than strategy, players, technique, and that sort of thing.

by axl on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Let's not get carried away with all the conspiracy theories. In today's NBA any team can win or lose, look at the results with the exception of Boston. The Raptors are on a long road trip, at 2-4 and 8-9 for the year to date. Not bad overall when you look at last year's road record.
Chris Bosh is the focal point of the whole offense, and when he struggles (7/20 & 5 TO's mostly JS's) the offense will struggle, unless someone can step up and take over. Bosh must go to the basket and cause a double team to allow the outside wing/guard players to get open looks. They really miss TJ's 14.7pts & 3FT's per game and his ability to score in bunches when required. Calderon is more a pass 1st PG, and only looks to score as a last resort or when very open (13pts/game as a starter vs 23pts with him and TJ together). He needs to be more selfish on occasion and look to score more. Parker's struggles may be caused by him playing with a strained groin that he has taped to play. Others than Bosh must go to the basket on occasion to help diversify the offense and get to the line more often (easy points). Teams go thru shooting slumps,lets hope it dose'nt last.

by Johnn19 on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Let's also remember in today's NBA with the exception of Boston, there are no Guaranteed wins or should wins. This is Raptors toughest part of the 07/08 schedule. In Jan/Feb they have 16 home and 9 away with no long trips. March will also be tough with 7 home & 10 away with 3(east) & 5(western) game trips
included. A 16-16 or 17-15 to begin 2008 would not be an unreasonable record given all the injurys to key (TJF,AB,JG) players and the dissapointing play of Andrea Bargnani, one of the keys to the expected improvement.

by Johnn19 on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

You know what guys, I think Andrea is not ready to start, the team needs TJ back JC is doing the best he can, Rosho should be the starting center and guys has to want to prove a point, and the point is that they were not a fluke last season but a legit team who won the Atlantic division, you can't blame the coaching staff because the players don't play the way they are suppose to play star players and role players has to take responsiblities for their actions. A team is not one person so when they go down they all are accountable for their actions. PEACE!!!

by Marcia on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Franchise,

Completely agree with you calling CB4 out. I’m a huge Bosh fan, but his play this year has been somewhat frustrating. Yes, he started the year injured and took a while to get back to game form. He had a stretch of great play starting with the games in Dallas and Memphis, however more often than not he has struggled. He has struggled with little things like finishing layups or post-up plays. He has also opted to go in soft on occasion when if he went up strong and tried to dunk it he would have had more success or get fouled. I think Smitch has to insert some plays to get Chris some easy looks early (quick post-ups in transition, or hit him on the move to the basket). The problem with a steady diet of pick and rolls is that Chris often ends up 15 to 20 ft from the rim, open and the easy way out is to take the jumper.

As for Jamario Moon, he was not guarded by Yao on a switch, YAO WAS ASSIGNED TO HIM! Want to know why, because its so freaken obvious that you can hide your best player on Moon because HE ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO GO TO THE BASET!! I feel bad for Smitch on this one, its obvious that after every missed pull up jumper he get’s into Moon, but he doesn’t listen. With so much athletic ability it’s a dam crime. Moon maybe needs to come off the bench.

by MAS on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Great posts! I missed the first half due to a dinner engagement. I thought last night we should have and could have won if we played with some grit. I'm so frustrated with Moon, with all his hops and afraid to go to the hoop; and Mitchell playing favourites in doling out PT. I was really impressed with the Brady bunch coming from behind to go 16-0. Now there is a team with grit and fighting spirit.
Happy 2008 to one and all!

by tfan on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Remember the Lakers game just before the one where Kobe dropped 81 on the Raps? I'm thinking of the one where he had 62 points in the first 3 quarters against Dallas. He sat out the fourth, because the game was in hand; I remember lots of the media (Simmons in particular) saying it was the wrong decision because he had a chance to do something historic if he played the whole game.

But Kobe himself seemed happy to sit.

by Roger on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Offense? My men's league team runs more plays than the Raptors.

They've been doing the Pick and Pop / Roll for 3 seasons in a row since Mitchell's been here. I mean it's fine if you mix some other plays in once in a while.

I also think Mitchell has done a horrible job managing Kapono and Delfino's PT.

Last night, because of TJ out, Kapono and Delfino did not get to play with Calderon much...Juan Dixon was point and God bless him, will take a few more rushed shots than Jose.

Finally at the end of the game they were on together, but no
rythm to their games had been established.

Just let the shooters shoot and the slashers/non-shooters drive. It's not complicated.

I'm glad we have bigs that can shoot but seriously dude you're SEVEN F"N FEET TALL! Stand under the little hoop thing down there and put the ball through it when it's passed to you. We'll pay you millions for it, OK?

I think:
More PT (and looks) for Kapono, Delfino; Less PT for Parker = more wins

by DayOner on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

vote Cb4 into the allstar game....he even made his own video you can check out on you tube...i just typed in chris bosh and the video titled send chris bosh to new orleans popped up or you can click the link below....bubba is played by his younger brother

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7IZP7u9FE

by wtf on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

So funny now to read stuff like this:

"They really miss TJ's 14.7pts & 3FT's per game and his ability to score in bunches when required. Calderon is more a pass 1st PG, and only looks to score as a last resort or when very open (13pts/game as a starter vs 23pts with him and TJ together). He needs to be more selfish on occasion and look to score more."

Just another illustration of why you need BOTH TJ and Jose regardless of who you prefer to start...

by Debiz on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Lots of great comments. First off, good timing wtf - Howland was showing me the same video today at:

www.chris-bosh.com

For those who read today's article in the Star,

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/NBA/article/289587

looks like the team's getting desperate to kick-start the offense. On the plus side it's good to see Sam and Chris sitting down and trying to figure some things out. Also good to see Mitchell fully admitting to the fact that things aren't working at present. However not a good sign that he's not sure why they're not scoring.

From Doug Smith's blog this afternoon, apparently Mitchell and co. are tweaking some of the sets and working as much as they can with the team this morning in practice.

We'll see how things work out
tomorrow night against the Hornets...

by Franchise on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

I'm not a big fan of tinkering with lineups but I'd really like to see a change tomorrow. I'd like to see bosh and bargs on the court with either rasho or kris.

That way Bargs can matchup with Peja who is a notoriously weak defender and hopefully get himself going.

Although to be fair to Bargs pretty much the entire roster struggled scoring the ball so it would probably be unfair to expect him to put up double digits.

I remain confident in Bargs because of what he showed last year and during the early parts of this year. I'm just wondering when he'll be able to get it going and whats blocking him right now.

by wtf on Dec 30, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

Everyone go this web site outsiders are starting to cretisize our first overall pick http://raptors.realgm.com/articles/41/20071229/inside_out/

by Marcia on Dec 31, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions

I'll visit the site right after I post this....but before I do I just wanted to say that if people are knocking Andrea well then its obviously justified. He's averaging like 3 ppg in the month of December....regardless of the cause that can't can't happen. Its time for him to step up and play the game....

To his credit he does seem to be working just a lot of mental errors....I think he will eventually pick it up but for now he deserves all the negative comments he's getting.

Hopefully we play big against the Hornets and Andrea can match up against Peja...

by wtf on Dec 31, 2007 12:00 AM EST reply actions