Lessons from Spain
Lebron James?
D-Wade?
Tim Duncan?
You could list a number of players but would you say Pau Gasol? What about Jorge Garbajosa?
As most of our readers know, I was recently vacationing in Spain and had the privilege of getting media access to the Raptors and Grizzlies respective matches in Madrid. However while the games themselves were quite enlightening, it was the basketball experience itself in Spain that really opened my eyes.
Pau Gasol was everywhere.
I went to get some money out at the bank and there was Pau smiling down at me.
I was at the bus stop or in the Metro (a huge upgrade over the TTC I might add) and there he was again posing for something.
And Jorge Garbajosa was in his fair share of billboards and the like as well.
Maybe I underestimated the popularity of basketball in Spain, but I guess I assumed that I’d notice a lot more soccer players on display than basketball.
And that was only reinforced at the actual games that night in Madrid. The fans showed their appreciation for the home sides but anytime the local boys Garbs, Jose, Gasol or Juan Carlos got touches, it was pandemonium.
(As an aside, it was also pandemonium when the refs made a call the fans didn’t like. Instead of the traditional booing however, the fans would start up with high pierced whistling and I’ll tell you, I’ve never heard anything more irritating at an arena in my life. I love it and propose we institute this immediately for all Nets games.)
At his press conference prior to the tip-off of the Memphis and Toronto games, David Stern spoke at length about the NBA’s commitment to growth overseas and from my brief time in Madrid, I’d say that his plans in the past few decades have been an overwhelming success. Walking around the stadium prior to the tip-off between Memphis and Estudiantes I would have sworn that I was in just about any NBA arena due to the jerseys represented. And with the exception of the lack of music during possessions, something that was actually a nice change, the in-game experience was almost identical to that of a regular season game in the L…
…well, except for the cheerleaders.
As the Globe and Mail’s Michael Grange correctly and quite humorously pointed out in his new blog:
"…I was surprised to look up at one point in Madrid and see all these dancers who weren’t the Dance Pak, though they were wearing Raptors Dance Pak-type gear. It was some kind of Euro-Pak exchange. They were tall, not very good dancers to my untrained eye, and all looked like they had a lot of nicotine in their diet."
I saw these same dancers practicing a routine to a Nelly Furtado song earlier that afternoon. The whole session was led by two or three of the Miami Heat Dance Pak and like Michael said, while all were rail thin, it was mostly arms and legs everywhere and not exactly something that the Heat dancers seemed to be ready to present to Pat Riley.
But one set of flamingo-ish ballerinas posing as a dance team does not a basketball culture make.
No, what really brought things home for me was just the general buzz in the air around the arena. I speak some Spanish (which after a week there improved much more than it ever did in the two years I took it through University. Wait…I guess you COULD argue that the rationale behind my lack of Spanish skills through University had nothing to do with my professor…but that’s another story) and I could hear young and old alike discussing players, talking plays or just enjoying the show. The whole spectacle must have brought a smile to David Stern’s face.
Much unlike FIBA.
During his press conference, David Stern had the floor open for questions from the media so this HQ’er just had to speak up…
"Yes, this is a question for Mr. Stern. Adam Francis from RaptorsHQ.com in Toronto…has there been any discussion about perhaps not participating in the Olympics but switching to more of a format like soccer’s Champions League where you’d have some of the top teams once every four years or so playing against caliber NBA teams?"
(I actually started my question with an acknowledgement that I remembered all too well that the Raptors had lost to Maccabi a few years ago in pre-season play, something Stern had alluded to in a previous response. I guess I was trying to garner a laugh from him so he would answer a question from a lowly blogger, rather than strike me down with a bolt of lightening, something I might add that seemed quite possible considering his reaction to some of the other questions posed.)
David Stern responded by saying that they hadn’t had any such discussions and that the idea of players going home to participate in tournaments was something futbol took for granted due to the proximity of the nations involved. Basically, it sounded like "hey, interesting idea, but we need FIBA more on board."
This was confirmed by the remainder of the press conference where Stern discussed the problems the League was having with FIBA. It seems that while the NBA is being staffed with more and more international players, FIBA is having a tough time changing with the times. And when it does change, it’s demanding a hefty dowry from the L.
A perfect example of this was the recent Euro Championship, a tournament that showcased a great many NBA players yet was unable to be seen on NBA TV in any fashion. The Toronto Star’s Doug Smith asked why this had been the case and apparently it was due to the egregious fees that FIBA demanded in return for the rights to broadcast the tourney. Stern then proceeded to put FIBA on blast for the next series of questions and it quickly became quite obvious that while the commissioner is pleased with the way things have gone in terms of international expansion of the game, there are many more mountains to climb.
I suppose at some point, the NBA, and the Euroleague for that matter, is going to have to decide just what role FIBA is going to play in their lives and make some decisions based on that. It’s tough to have a governing sports body that is constantly playing catch-up and the NBA (and now the Euroleague’s) success puts the sport of basketball in an interesting situation compared to other sports played world-wide.
And perhaps it will unfortunately come down to money and the NBA owners in terms of deciding if international play is of any benefit other than for the NBA’s own marketing.
If that’s the case, games like last night’s between the Raptors and Zalgiris Kaunas might become much more of a rarity than an annual pre-season event.
For those who attended the game, or saw it like myself in "Game in an Hour" on Raptors TV, it was a pretty sloppy affair. Toronto’s subs came away with the105-99 victory in the end but still had issues on the boards and getting stops. Even when the Raps did get to the rebounds first, they couldn’t hold onto them.
Ford and Calderon looked good, Kapono (even though he shot better) and Anthony Parker, not so much.
I’d love to see more of Jamario Moon and much more Carlos Delfino in terms of the way he played in the fourth quarter. That was the player I expected this season.
Above all else however, I’m really looking forward to Toronto facing some real NBA competition, like the ones profiled here, even for the remainder of the pre-season. I’m going to try to attend tomorrow night’s game and hopefully it will give us fans our first real look at just how the club will do against conference rivals. Sure it’s still pre-season, but tomorrow night I’ll be looking at a few things:
1) How Andrea does in the middle against the bigger Ben Wallace, and the more athletic Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah. Little one on one battles like this could go a long way in giving fans an idea of how Il Mago will fare in the middle this year.
2) How the Raptors’ wings match-up against the Bulls. Guys like Deng, Gordon and even Thabo gave Toronto fits last year offensively so let’s see if Graham, Kapono and Delfino can at least make them work at the other end of the court.
3) How the team plays without Chris Bosh. It sounds like CB4 will be sitting out another one as of now and with the interior strength of the Bulls, it will be a good litmus test as to how far the Dynos need to go in terms of rebounding and boxing out.
In addition, I’m just excited to have this pre-season finished. The regular season tip-off is less than two weeks away and I still think this team has a number of things to figure out on the court.
Off the court, I’m not concerned of course.
By all accounts an already close Raptors’ club became even closer thanks to their overseas excursion. In fact I think that the bonding trips like these provide is what really makes them important for the league. Sure it’s a way to market and showcase talent, but it’s also an excellent method for coaches to get to know their players better, and for the players in turn, to spend a large chunk of time and grow together as a team.
Playing everyday in Canada and the US, you may not have any idea about the backgrounds and customs of some of your team-mates. But spending some time in their own backyards, really opens up eyes.
Perhaps TJ Ford said it best earlier this week:
"You get to see how famous these guys are." "We have no idea. Being in the States, they can kind of float at their own will but just being here and in Italy, to see how much attention those guys get on and off the court is something good for us to see."
It was something extremely good for me to see as well...
...even if it meant looking up at Pau Gasol’s scraggly hair-do each time I went to an ATM.
FRANCHISE
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I was in Spain before Thanksgiving and did see a couple of Gasol posters and Calderon Raptor jersey. Can't wait for the season to begin.
by tfan on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I here a lot of talk about how Toronto lacks toughness especially since they're such bad rebounders. What ever happened to Uros Slokar and Pape Sow? While they didn't light up the scoreboards they weren't afraid to mix it up on the boards. Where are they now?
by Todd on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Broadcasting:
Chuck is annoying. Every game there are fewer and fewer people who disagree with that statement. If it wasn’t for that annoying 2 seconds delay, it would be far more enjoyable listening to the radio broadcast while watching the game.
What happened to hoops talk on the fan? Now I haven’t hunted this down, but I have tuned in from time to time only to find dead air (or baseball as some like to call it.) What’s going on with Toronto’s hockey… I mean sports station? Could it be any more obvious that they are not committed to the Raptors?
I’ve commented before about McCowen’s neglect for the sport. Now hoops talk isn’t on and if I’m not mistaken, I don’t think they’ve broadcast any of the pre-season games either. Would anyone be surprised if they give up the Raptor broadcast next time the contract comes up?
PG:
I didn’t watch last nights game, but from the stats it appears that TJ had one heck of a game while Calderon was average at best. Why is it anytime Calderon has somewhat of an above average game, there are calls for a changing of the guard, literally. But when the result are the other way, no one mentions anything. Does TJ not have a fan club? Do the loud minority not watch these games? Or maybe most of us realize that Sam knows what he is doing and in Sam we trust?
by Erezona on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Excellent report franchise, glad to hear you enjoyed the basketball atmosphere we currently have in Spain (just 3 years ago it was a whole different story), just imagine how crazy it was in the Eurobasket and how badly people wanted Garbo to play.
Just one clarification on the cheerleaders: the spanish girls joining the Dance
Pak in Madrid were actually models who are taking part in a reality show for the spanish TV: "Supermodelo 2007", kind of "Canadian Idol" but for
top-models instead of singers. Joining the Dance Pak was in fact a
task/audition to be later rated by the judges. Really weird stuff anyway...
And let me finish by saying that we've always perceived the FIBA (national basketball programs) board to be a bunch of slow-moving bureaucrats, fortunately Euroleague (which is an association of purely professional clubs, more like the NBA) is a lot more dynamic and is probably responsible for much of the boom european basketball has seen in recent years. We'll see how the whole thing plays out...
by Sergi P on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Now, I'll admit as well, that I didn't watch the game against Zalgiris Kaunas, but I did check the stats, and you know what I saw? Bargnani with 8 boards in 19 minutes. Sure, he also had 4 fouls, but still: 8 boards in 19 minutes = not too shabby for our soft centre-of-the-future.
Maybe I'm wrong though. Could someone who watched the game let me know if Bargs actually worked for those 8 rebounds? Or if a bunch of them were just tips to himself? Or something of the like.
by Frank Malone on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Erezona: It's funny you should mention McCown. I interviewed him for my day job last week and as a Raps fan I mentioned that.
He was pretty frank. The guy isn't even that big of a hockey fan, but it's a numbers game. Way more people in Canada (it's a national program) want hockey (obviously). If he had his way, they wouldn't do so much on the sport.
Wow. Okay that was an obvious and boring thing to say. Just after meeting him and his producers I felt like I should stick up for them.
by MazelTov on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Erezona: Two more things. The pre-season games are actually broadcast, but just on NBA.com. I think they are trying to boost their League Pass membership.
As for the TJ fanclub. Here is a great article written by someone who obviously understands the game, and what TJ does.
http://www.psamagazine.com/issue2/tj/tj1.html
Enjoy.
by MazelTov on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Glad someone brought up the Chuck stuff...yep, count me in as being already annoyed. It's one thing for him to use his "Chuckisms" with Jack and Leo, but to hear him talking to himself during "Game in an Hour" and using them is ridiculous.
And the Raptors aren't helping by using him in these new TV spots...
All of this of course has me VERY worried in terms of what this year's intro and warm-up song will be...
by Franchise on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks for the insight about their popularity in their home countries - very good read. Hope you make some coin with your new credentials, because word is out - this is a fantastic forum.
Frank- Barghani was impressive last night although not quite sure what the level of competition was compared to an NBA team. With Bosh out of the mix, he was used more as an inside presence. THe kid seems to listen to people who want him to grow. Humphries and Rasho looked good as well. Don't think were as weak inside as our critics seem to think.
Hope Delfino doesn't get in Sams doghouse - he has an intelligence for the game and can help this team.
Agree about Chuck - at least he wasn't responding to emails while broadcasting!
Am gonna try to get to the game tomorrow - will try and pick up a whistle.
by Tinman on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
MazelTov, Mazel Tov on digging out that link. That was a great read/watch! For anyone who still has doubts about the starting PG, follow the link and you’ll see why BC decided to get this guy and Sam decided to start him. Although BC deciding should be enough.
I seem to be the dissenting view on several issues, but here goes. When you remove the passion and the home team blinders, it makes no sense for us to go to next off season with Calderon in the fold. We risk losing him for nothing as we did with Marshall. There will be plenty of teams to throw stupid money at him and it’s unrealistic to think we could match for a backup point guard.
There have been discussions in the past about playing the two together. That just doesn’t make sense. They are both PGs. You only need one to run the show. Therefore, the other would be there for his shooting and we all know that we have better options for scoring. That is not their strength. Not saying anything about the size issue at the 2 spot.
Of course BC knows all this which is why TJ is the starter and why I think he’s thinking of Roko as the potential backup PG of the future.
One other point about Bargnani. Last year, and I posted about it at the time, there were many instances where Bargnani would work hard for positioning deep under the basket only to be denied by the PG on the court. it was almost as if he was frozen out in favour of others, usually Bosh. I think Bargnani is ready to take that next step and if the PGs find him when they should, we will see much more from Bargnani this year.
Can’t wait for the games to start so we can start talking about real action!
by Erezona on Oct 18, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Franchise & Howland. I just wanted to say congrats on getting Press Pass access. I remember when we first launched fan.ca (where raptorshq.com got its start) in 1999 - Sports Teams literally laughed at us when we mentioned we were sports fans with internet sites and wanted media access. Site like yours go a long in proving that fans can contribute insightful coverage.
You should ask the players and legomaster if they ever read your blog.
Did you ever think you would be in a press conference asking David Stern questions!!
Congrats and keep up the awesome site.
by utes on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Zona,
I did watch the game and yes T.J. was very impressive. However, so was Jose. He had 3 "and 1" drives that looked great.
I am not knocking T.J. at all, but your second post made me think about last year.
One other point about Bargnani. Last year, and I posted about it at the time, there were many instances where Bargnani would work hard for positioning deep under the basket only to be denied by the PG on the court.
I saw this as well and I would say that Jose is more of a distributer to anyone that is open, rather than TJ. TJ is more discerning with where he wants the ball to be. Usually either with Bosh or himself. While I agree that you want the ball in your best players hands, the Raps style seems to fit Jose's game a little better. Obviously that is only my opinion, and the cantankerous responses can begin shortly.
As far as the game the other night, the only players that underwhelmed me where Garbo and Dixon. Garbo had a few bad turn-overs on errant passes (very un-Garbo like).
And Dixon seems intent on shooting himself into the line-up. I just didn't feel that he was talking the shots that the defense was allowing the Raps to take. Other than that, they really didn't look that bad.
PS. Bargnani's attempted dunk in the 1st quarter made me come out of my seat. Nce to see that quickness.
Be kind.
by sharpy on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I noticed there was no posting from Keon Clark and here is why http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/10/18/bc.bkn.clark.arrest.ap/index.html).
The whole TJ vs JC debate is an interesting one. I really don't think most people in the JC camp believe he has a greater upside than Ford does, only that his style is a better fit for the Raptors. There is no doubt in my mind that based on last years performance this very true. JC prefers to distribute and his penetration technique is much more effective than Fords is most of the time. My biggest knock on TJ is that he sometimes forgets there are other players on the floor other than Bosh and himself and he has only one speed. I will admit it must be difficult to chase him around all night but if he would start varying his speeds when he attacks that hoop instead of trying to win a gold medal in the 100 meter sprint, the debate would be over. I really believe that is what he needs to take the next step. He is too often out of control when he goes to the hoop and it hurts his court vision and decision making with the ball. He varies his speeds he would be harder to defend and he would see the whole court a lot better.
The big plus side for Ford is that most PGs don't really develope until their mid to late 20's so he still has time to do so.
by McGateway on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
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Erezona,
Great post, totally agree with you on Chuck. I remember the good old days, when Chuck would actually CALL THE GAME! His broadcasts have degenerated into incessant gimmicky, shtick. This was highlighted in Wednesday’s Game in an Hour where Chuck was alone without a colour commentator (Jack/Leo) to balance the broadcast. Chuck used to be a good commentator. He focussed on the game, called the plays/action and left the insight to the colour commentator. Chuck if you’re reading this, please just call the game.
As for TJ Ford, he has been far and away the best Raptor so far in camp. Bargs has shown that he has worked on his game, Rasho has been solid, but TJ looks in mid-season form. He’s averaging 13.5 PPG and 7.3 APG in 25 MPG!! He has been under-control and using a change of pace speed as apposed to full out sprinting, allowing him to dissect the apposing defence and get wherever he wants on the court. Also, has anyone noticed that he’s making his jumpers? He’s shooting 62.5% from three, albeit on limited attempts… but the ones he takes he has been making.
Jose has been solid, but the discussion of who should start at the PG position for this team is over as far as I’m concerned. Jose is definitely the best back-up pg in the league, but I would start TJ ahead of him any day. As for the comments about TJ being selective on who he gets the ball to… Bull. He has to pick the best match-ups in order to give the team the best chance to score. If you asked 100 NBA experts who you should give the ball to last year in the post Bosh or Bargs 100 would have said Bosh. If you watched the preseason games he has given the ball to whoever had the best opportunity to score or whoever the play was called for. To indicate that TJ was freezing out Bargs in the post (when he looked inept in the post all year long last year) is ridiculous.
by Keon Clark on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Dwight Howard looks hugh this year and is ready for breakout year.Could He be better than Garnet? Will He get the ball? Answer YES and YES lookout east.
by Davl on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Keon,
Just for the record, I wasn’t indicating that "TJ was freezing out Bargs in the post". First I said the "PG" because I truly noticed it with both TJ and Calderon and second, I didn’t mean to insinuate a premeditated decision to not include Bargnani in the offence, only that they didn’t look to him as much as they should have. I’m not speaking of the preseason as I haven’t seen any of the games. But last year, there were many instances where Bargnani would work himself deep in the post only to see the pass go to Bosh 20 feet out. I just think that as a point guard you automatically would look for Bosh if you want to get some assists on your stat line, but they need to make a conscious effort this year to find Bargnani, especially after working hard to get into position.
by Erezona on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
I have a recurring nightmare and TJ is in it. In my dream, I'm watching the first round of last year's playoffs, and TJ's size-challenged defense is broadcast by megaphone to the entire NBA every time Kidd posts him up. Again and again... and again. It's game 4 and he is *still* doing it, while announcers are dissecting Kidd's near triple-20(!) in game 3.
I believe TJ has it in him to become a truly great floor general on offense. But (and this is not a rhetorical question) is there really anything he can do about his defensive liabilities?
The dream ends when Smitch *finally* in game 5 starts doing what a coach is paid to do: he makes adjustments and benches Ford. Calderon D's it up on Kidd, then goes off for 25 points and 8 assists in 38 minutes and the Raptors win.
Let's assume Calderon will re-sign with us for a discout of 5 mil a year. That's 14 mil a year dedicated to the point guard position. That's a max deal and there are many max contract PGs out there. The question is: is Smitch capable of thinking outside the starter-backup box? This unique situation absolutely demands it.
by Rappy on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
TJ shows hustle on D - actually might of been on of our best. Matching up with JKidd is not an easy task for anyone - he's always a triple double threat no matter who guards.
If we can keep TJ and Jose for a combined 14m its money well spent. Both are big parts of this team and think BC will do all in his power to keep both.
by Tinman on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
But Calderon will not come cheap. I don't care what he says, especially if he continues to improve and teams are still looking for his skill set (i.e. Boston, Miami, Cleveland). Team loyalty only goes so far.
by OldSchool on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Don't you think teams like Atlanta may offer at least $5.1M? The reality is they will go much higher and I don't blame Jose, but he will accept the higher money.
by Erezona on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Just looking at the stats Martin outplayed Delfino. Not a good situation for Delfino if He expects to play. What about Moon is He a keeper? Judging of the play by play on internet I say Yes all I heard was His name. AB impressive outing again. Luke Jackson goodbye! Dixon made a case for playing time but may get traded. Delfino shape up or be traded. JG bad stats All three did not impress.
The way Parker has been playing He should of got more burn.
Kapono would like to see Him play more also.
by Davl on Oct 19, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Agree Jackson appears to be one of the odd men out. Wish Martin would retire and come on as an assistant coach - I do appreciate how he helps this team but on the floor he's a chucker. A better player than him will be let go.
If Moon continues to play like last night against the Bulls the decision is made - he stays.
Barghani sure looked good last night shooting the ball, still needs work on his drives - but no worries, this kid is gonna have a great season.
Noah was hilarious last night!
by Tinman on Oct 20, 2007 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

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