Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Kentucky Basketball: Where the Wildcats Stand as of Today

The Dismissal of Rob Babcock - A Study In Incompetence Part I

A Brief History of the Babcock Regime:

When Babcock, Alex English, Wayne Embry and Sam Mitchell were brought in 18 months ago the slogan for the Raptors was “A Brand New Era”. Well, now we know an “era” for MLSE is approximately the same amount of time it will take to make most Canadians realize they made a huge mistake in electing Mini-Bush.

The era began aptly on April Fool's Day when then-current-GM Glen Grunwald was relieved of his duties and the quest for a new GM and associates began. The result was Rob Babcock.

Babcock served as director of player personnel for the Minnesota Timberwolves and oversaw the drafting of Kevin Garnett and signing of Latrell Sprewell and Sam Cassell. Even though he had no GM experience, MLSE seemed sold on his "basketball DNA" as he and his family had been involved in the league for years. In retrospect, it was this hiring that really got the ball rolling on the Raptors’ future problems. Star Vince Carter wanted to see Julius Erving take over the GM roll and Babcock’s hiring drove the final wedge in the divide between Vince and Toronto. This of course would later force Babcock’s hand and trading the former Tar Heel became inevitable.

Beyond the Vince trade we're not going to dwell on his dealings because everyone knows what he did in his brief tenure. So in typical RapsHQ fashion here’s the good, the bad, and the undetermined:

The Bad:

- Alonzo Mourning: ‘Zo has to be separated from the VC trade. You can’t evaluate a trade that is still not complete, but bringing in the Georgetown center knowing there was little to no chance of him reporting was simply not a good move. Buying him out….even worse. Let him sit. Let him want out. But make him play, and if he doesn’t want to play….stay home. Watching #33 light it up for the Heat this year is hard for Raps' fans. If he was patrolling the middle right now we would be light years ahead.
- Signing Rafer long term. I have not been shy with my feelings on Rafer. Cancer. That summer when the Raps were hunting for a free-agent PG it was him or Hudson. Rafer was definitely the worst choice…..mind you Hudson wouldn't necessarily have been the best either.

The Good:

- The 2005 Draft: CV Smooth, Joey G, Roko, Uros, and although not drafted, rookie free agent Calderon. All these guys are going to be, or are expected to be the foundation for years to come. Although the three rooks this year have taken their lumps, no-one can argue that they have shown flashes of greatness. On top of this, prior to Babcock and co’s arrival our European scouting staff amounted to Aleksandar Radojevic. Take what you want from that.
- Trading Rafer: Talk about a guy swallowing his pride. He realized his mistake and turned a cow into magic beans. Where would this team be without Space Mountain James?

The Undecided:

- The VC trade. Sorry folks, cannot judge a trade until it is complete. Joey looks to be a player, and we still have a first rounder to use or deal. Who knows what that could be? (Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd and Carlos Boozer were all second rounders!) First round picks are so valuable….unless you run the Knicks. The failing point of this deal at present is the ‘Zo situation though.
- Hoffa: He is in this group because last thing we heard then-interim- GM Jack McCloskey made this pick. Babcock had only been on the job for a few weeks…..and who knows….maybe Babcock is right and it will take him a few years to develop. That being said he was drafted because he was NBA ready. Saying Hoffa is NBA ready is like saying Daisy Does America was going to be a classic show. (Seriously TBS has THE WORST pilot shows).

While this breakdown hardly paints an RC Bufordesque picture of Babcock, it's clear he's no Isiah Thomas either. In fact his resume describes exactly the person Toronto hired originally, a rookie GM who was bound to make some good and bad decisions in his term with the club but decisions, as tough as they were, that had to be made. Which is why watching Richard Peddie and listening to his diatribe from yesterday's press conference was one of the most maddening experiences ever.

The Press Conference:

Anyone else here confused by the press conference yesterday? The timing of the firing definitely gets fans scratching their heads and statements like “We have a good young foundation” and “sticking with the plan” do not seem to mesh well with, Donald Trump's favourite line…"You’re fired!" Was Babcock not responsible for bringing in the pieces of that "foundation" and proposing the "plan?" Wasn’t Babcock the one who informed the public and the fans that this could be a tough year but it is all PART of the long term plan? Peddie and the board he represents and mixed messages are like the Olsen twins' careers and Full House….inseparable.

What were the highlights or lowlights of the press conference? Here’s some stuff that stood out in our minds:

Richard Peddie Making Basketball Decisions: Apparently Peddie has been discussing moving Babcock for a couple of weeks now. Interesting how a couple of weeks ago this team was playing its best ball of the year. How does that make sense? (For the record an on-going theme here will be how NONE of this makes sense….like trying to figure out how hot-dog eating became a world watched sport….I think ABC is covering it next year.) What qualifications has Peddie ever had to decide whether a basketball team is heading in the right direction? In fact many of the press at yesterday's "réunion" pondered aloud if Peddie and MLSE were stretching themselves way too thin. Instead of being focussed on basketball (and hockey for that matter) decisions, MLSE was busy trying to get into the real estate and condo market and looking to get a soccer team off the ground here in Toronto. It's a great point as based on the verbal bilgewter pumped yesterday, it simply looks like Peddie and the "board" are only looking at Babcock's dismissal in terms of the bottom line. Could it be that with attendance slumping and based on Rob's decisions from over a year ago, Peddie decided to pull the plug in effort to get fans' notice. Well, he succeeded...I'm just not sure if he got the right type of attention.

Further to this previous point, Peddie at the conference deferred pretty much every basketball question to Embry. If you can’t answer basketball questions how do you make basketball decisions? This topic probably deserves more focus, but let’s move on.

Wayne Embry…The Guy Who Traded Kareem: So the Raptors fire Babcock and replace him with Embry on an interim basis while the GM search gets going in earnest. We don’t know enough about Embry to say good “interim” replacement or bad but I guarantee we will find out soon enough. With the trade deadline just a few short weeks away it's not out of the realm of possibility that we start seeing some wholesale roster changes. Was Babcock too cautious as a GM for Raps upper brass? There WERE whispers around the league that after the Vince deal Babcock was scared to make any other moves. We at the HQ personally think that that ideology was refuted with the Mike James deal and want to note that there's a big difference between making lots of deals to appease a fan base and making selective well-positioned ones for the future of the franchise. Let's hope Embry does the latter. And finally on Embry...if you are going to take over, please, PLEASE don’t joke about being the guy who traded Kareem! Dear God, you traded Kareem?! Is this supposed to give us comfort? This makes fans feel like the Raptors just gave Saddaam keys to the Pentagon!!

The Plan: Perhaps the scariest part of the conference was when Peddie said that they needed to bring in a guy who could increase the percentage chance of the plan being successful and “speeding up the plan”. Have you ever heard a statement that reeks more of bottom-line? Speeding up the plan is the equivalent of saying….let’s get a mediocre team on the floor who can fight for the 8th spot, and fill those empty seats. If we trade youth for vets in the next 12 months, the true colours of the MLSE Board will shine through. Let’s see if they are truly committed to the “plan”. We have been down this road before folks…think AD, VC, Alvin, Hakeem, and others. And the fact that Peddie is now stating that they need an EXPERIENCED GM is just maddening. Even our best friend Dave Feschuk pointed out during the press conference that it was inexplicable why, if this is now the desire, an experienced GM wasn’t hired from the outset!? And then when asked why Babcock was hired in the first place Peddie stated it was because of Rob's "basketball DNA" and EXPERIENCE!! I seem to recall that Babcock’s hiring was based on his ability to sell upper management on his plan to grow their youth, in terms of coaches, players and even management. Wins and losses aside, wasn’t that exactly what he was doing?

Now What?

So with Babcock's tenure over and Embry now in charge, what exactly does this mean for the team going forward? Management changes aside, the on-court product simply hasn't been great, especially in the past 6 games. In Part II of this discussion tomorrow we'll look at a rudderless team heading towards a trade deadline in just a few weeks, another important draft 6 months from now and what's going to be left when the dust finally settles and all is said and done.

Comment 13 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Embry is not a bad GM. His time with the Cavs in the late 80s-early 90s is where he really made his name. He got really really lucky in 87 when he got Brad Daugherty #1, Ron Harper I think at #7, and picked up Mark Price in the second round. He also made a trade of Kevin Johnson for Larry Nance. The Cavs pretty much rode nicely with that team for years, although Embry screwed it all up by trading Harper for Danny Ferry in 89.

by The Cavalier on Jan 27, 2006 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

if this affects signing Bosh long-term I am going to have to break out my old Jazz jersey again ... stupid move on behalf of the raps.

What about bringing in Julius Erving now?

Can JYD still play? If yes - give him a spot on the bench.

by utes on Jan 27, 2006 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

I still can't get my head around this. Peddie needs to go. I'm still on edge and can't think straight about it yet. That's why I'm glad you guys handled it. It's a mess.

Babcock "wasn't the right guy?". Then why was he hired in the first place? There's some need for accountability for Peddie. O'Neill. Babcock. These didn't work out. Neither did a number of his other moves. And the Leafs suck even worse right now. Where are those changes? I guess when you sell out every game you don't need to make a "headline grabbing" move to indicate that the team is heading in the right direction.

It's all BS...

by Diablero on Jan 27, 2006 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Great analysis as always. Babcock, as you pointed out, made some decent moves to try and recover from a disasterous year #1. If the "plan" is sound and is worth continuing, why fire the guy who designed it and is in the process of completing it? For all of Babcock's problems, he seems like he's an honest, decent guy. Maybe that's the problem - he's too honest and decent. MLSE seems like a tank of sharks all playing the politico game. Peddie, not Babcock, should have been first to go.

Great point about Embry joking about trading Kareem. I listened to the press conference and after Embry make that comment, I wondered "did he just say that he traded Kareem - and he was *proud* of that accomplishment"??

Hopefully, in part 2, you'll be able to go through a list of potential candidates that we might be able to get for the GM/Pres role. But, I doubt we'll get anyone of calibre.

Ugh. It's horrible being a Raps fan today. Even with all of the bumps this season, I at least had some semblance of hope that we were "turning the corner" because of the plan that Babcock kept espousing. Sure seemed to make sense to me.

by Hans on Jan 27, 2006 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Excerpt from the above post:

"The 2005 Draft: CV Smooth, Joey G, Roko, Uros, and although not drafted, rookie free agent Calderon. All these guys are going to be, or are expected to be the foundation for years to come."

If CV and Graham are going to be the foundation for years to come, then I will became a Hawks fan ! They have NBA mediocrity written all over them.

by Poppa Vlazo on Jan 27, 2006 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

OK...answer me this question.

Donnie Walsh is heralded as some sort of genius for getting Peja Stojakovic out of Sacto in exchange for Ron Artest, while Babcock is ultimately fired for, in large part, his handling of a similar situation with Vince Carter?

Let's examine this:

Walsh gets a rent-a-player (you really think Peja will resign with Indiana?) for half a season and then, likely, loses him for nothing. End result: Artest for half a season of Peja.

Meanwhile, Babcock gets the Williams, Zo and 2 draft picks for VC. End result: Joey Graham, another first rounder and whatever Eric Williams brings the Raps in a deal.

Now you tell me who got the better deal.

And, while MLSE is firing, get rid of Peddie. That guy is a waste of space.

by Zherdev on Jan 27, 2006 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

The only times I have ever read anything about Peddie, I have ended up getting really annoyed. Who is he and why is he in charge of two sports franchises? He clearly knows nothing aout hoops. It was embarassing watching him in the press conference deferring all his answers to Embry, Dude, be a man, you just fired a dude relatively out of the blue, give an answer why. I was okay with Babcock, i agreed with his plan and think we have to just take our medicine while we wait for the cap to sort itself out and a couple of years of high draft pics. That is the way you develop talent in an affordable way. It is as if this organization is really trying to make it hard to be a Raptor fan. The only possible positive spin I can see in this, is by waiting to see who they end up hiring to replace Babcock. I guess Kiki or Hammond or Thorn would be nice additions, but I wonder what high calliber, classy GM's would want to come to this Mickey Mouse organisation?

by Walker on Jan 27, 2006 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

I think this is a sham firing. If Babcock's moves last year were so bad, why didn't he get fired last year? The only reason I can think of is because they gave him a 'rookie GM get out of jail free" card. If that's the case, then it would make sense to judge him on what he's done since. Seems to me he's been pretty good this year. You fought through the rough part with Babcock, he starts turning it around, and then you can him??? wtf! I mean, seriously, wtf!

This is Peddie trying to make a fall guy. Babcock was the easiest because of the bad press from the VC trade. Too bad the media and the fans aren't buying it. Did anyone read the Toronto Star today? The whole thing was nothing but Peddie bashing.

What really concerns me is what Chris Bosh thinks of this. The franchise is in complete chaos right now. Why would he take an extra mil or two to play here? I wouldn't.

Grrrr...

by raptorman on Jan 27, 2006 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

Great article on Babcock.

How ironic would it be if Rod Thorn came here and the Nets hired Mr. Babcock! Then to complete the picture, Mr. Babcock could rehire Byron Scott.

by Pistol Pete on Jan 27, 2006 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

A Decent gm is needed to sign bosh and get ready for draft and does this mean we wont do any trades before trade deadline, I like to know who the raps are considering,
The house has been swept interesting timing,but babcock wrote his own ticket to the unemployment line and the raps record dont help. Did he do positive things yes but the vince deal an arajuo will be listed as his downfall. Does a executive make a good gm,who knows. Hopefully they stay active now in a postive way. Is babcok trying out for the espn panel or nj team that be ironic jk, We need somebody with experience and i dont mean like isiah thomas. Id submit my name but rather be on this side of the court. Does anyone think Bill Laimbeer be a good candidate or Dr J
two people with experience both as players and management. Does anyone know how slokur is doing?
Also Does any one think we should trade down with our pick?

by FANTASY GM on Jan 28, 2006 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

the real reason why babcock was fired was that he forgot to remove those ear plugs even during his meetings with peddie.

by nate arch on Jan 28, 2006 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

Especially striking was the bizarre remark by Peddie that firing Babcock now gives the Raps some kind of early leg up on getting a new GM. No it doesn't, it just makes the Raps look like the incompetent office politics mess that they are while they of course wait for the off-season when the best GM candidates become available.

None of the official reasons for firing Babcock make any sense for doing it _now_. Even if he was reluctant, over-eager, or incompetent regarding some impending trade, just over-rule him and keep the disagreement in house. The timing and the fact Babcock has obviously been doing a good job in his second year will make it just that much more difficult to attract a great GM.

By the way, Kareem forced the Bucks to trade him but Embry got some pretty decent stuff for him ("After a few seasons in Milwaukee under the new name, Kareem felt that the city didn't fit his cultural needs and requested a trade to either the New York Knicks or the Los Angeles Lakers. In 1975, the Bucks traded him and reserve center Walt Wesley to the Los Angeles Lakers, in exchange for center Elmore Smith, guard Brian Winters and rookie "blue chippers" Dave Myers and Junior Bridgeman." - wikipedia). Like a lot of old guys, he probably just assumes we all know the 'forced to trade' back story, which is not ancient history.

by fairleft on Jan 29, 2006 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Apparently the Bucks also "rebuilt" quite quickly and became a winning playoff team again within three years. If the Raps become a winning playoff team in three years I'll dub Embry the Miracle Man.

by benjibopper on Jan 29, 2006 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

RaptorsHQ is a growing, interactive community committed to providing the best Raptors and Canadian basketball content on the web.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
Raptors and the Summer of 2013
Small
All Things Tanking Pt.2
Small
All Things Tanking  Pt.1
Small
The Jared Sullinger Project
Small
The Disturbing Parallels of Briyan Burkeangelo
Small
Who kidnapped James Johnson & replaced him with this guy?
In_rainbows_small
I am concerned; I think fans should be concerned.
Tfc_academy_small
Andrea Bargnani Interview
Small
Ed Davis and how he defines the Raps future
Small
Fan Perspective: Demar Derozan

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

2009_0503draft09-20006_-_williams_solo_small Adam Francis

Basketball_20gym_20in_20sun2009-01-27-1233091216_small RaptorsHQ - Howland

Editors

Viciousd_2005-01-20_small Raptors HQ - Vicious D

Authors

Burgundy_small RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance

Img_0813_small rbala